Quick question about escaping escorts

Krauter · 02-20-11, 10:07 PM

Lets see..

Shallow Water: Check

Dozen Angry DDs: Check..

English Channel: Check.

Conclusion?: You're screwed. You're in shallow water so you can't take advantage of thermals or use deep depth evasion techniques... You're against multiple escorts meaning you'll always have at least 2-3 Boats tracking you passively... And you're in the channel, meaning they have air cover.

What were you thinking?

Budds · 02-20-11, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Krauter

Lets see..

Shallow Water: Check

Dozen Angry DDs: Check..

English Channel: Check.

Conclusion?: You're screwed. You're in shallow water so you can't take advantage of thermals or use deep depth evasion techniques... You're against multiple escorts meaning you'll always have at least 2-3 Boats tracking you passively... And you're in the channel, meaning they have air cover.

What were you thinking?

Lol.... Soooo True !!!!

sbelcl · 02-21-11, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Krauter

Lets see..

Shallow Water: Check

Dozen Angry DDs: Check..

English Channel: Check.

Conclusion?: You're screwed. You're in shallow water so you can't take advantage of thermals or use deep depth evasion techniques... You're against multiple escorts meaning you'll always have at least 2-3 Boats tracking you passively... And you're in the channel, meaning they have air cover.

What were you thinking?

what was I thinking...lets see: "oh....what a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig jucy targert! Yummy!"

02-21-11, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sbelcl

what was I thinking...lets see: "oh....what a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig jucy targert! Yummy!"

If your sunk in 1941 with a 10k merchant under your belt and thats it, then what good were you to the war effort :P But what he said, the shalow water, 12 angry dds and english channel combo is what got you. You just cant pull that off logistically. Unless your God, then its a different story. But for that many DDs you need deep water somewhere, theres no way youll make it out alive.

musides · 02-21-11, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by USNSRCaseySmith

If your sunk in 1941 with a 10k merchant under your belt and thats it, then what good were you to the war effort :

Speaking of the war effort, however, I'd give up a single sub in exchange for an English Aircraft carrier!

sbelcl: as the depth charges destroy you and your crew, rest easy knowing that you have delivered a devastating blow to the Royal Navy and the morale of the people. Your career was a resounding success. Your memorial service will feature many post-humous awards.

Nicolas · 02-21-11, 03:06 PM

Best way to attack under those conditions is to try fire at long range +-3 km

Krauter · 02-21-11, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sbelcl

what was I thinking...lets see: "oh....what a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig jucy targert! Yummy!"

Better to take the time to plot the enemies course and plan the engagement so you're on favourable terms...

If the enemy even has a fighting chance, you've done your job wrong.

Drewcifer · 02-21-11, 07:15 AM

Glad to get some reinforcements Krauter!

Its not a matter of skill, its not a realistically possible plan.

No Sub captain is marching in to sacrifice his boat over a carrier to dance with 12 escorts in the english channel.

Don't change the difficulty settings, make better tactical choices.

sbelcl · 02-21-11, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Drewcifer

Glad to get some reinforcements Krauter!

Its not a matter of skill, its not a realistically possible plan.

No Sub captain is marching in to sacrifice his boat over a carrier to dance with 12 escorts in the english channel.

Don't change the difficulty settings, make better tactical choices.

You're right. But i thought it's 1939 so they can't be that good! Obviously i was wrong!

Drewcifer · 02-21-11, 12:56 PM

Regardless of the date, going head to head with a task force of that size, in the english channel... is nothing short of suicide.

Put yourself in the boat.. your real flesh and blood self.

As Krauter said.. a real captain would make a contact report.. take some readings, speed, course.. and shadow.

Deeper water, perhaps dark of night, ideal weather.. as a u boat captain stealth IS your weapon, do everything in your power to make the fight on YOUR terms. essentially you are a coward, always picking the unfair fight.. BUT thats just the way it is, your smaller, and less equiped you will never be able to go toe to toe with destroyers.

And with that amount they can sit off you and passively track you while making DC runs on you all day.

Honestly unless I was ordered to kill that carrier as captain of my boat i'd just report the task force to bdu and continue on my way. There is plenty of targets to be had and for alot less trouble.

TheDarkWraith · 02-21-11, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sbelcl

You're right. But i thought it's 1939 so they can't be that good! Obviously i was wrong!

that's because until we can clone .gr2 files I had to setup IRAI for the later years of the war. You can change the difficulty parameters as you progress with the game to model the changing in equipment over the years of the war though

That's one way to simulate newer and better equipment for the enemy as the war progressed on.

stoianm · 02-21-11, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Drewcifer

Glad to get some reinforcements Krauter!

Its not a matter of skill, its not a realistically possible plan.

No Sub captain is marching in to sacrifice his boat over a carrier to dance with 12 escorts in the english channel.

Don't change the difficulty settings, make better tactical choices.

if i am understanding wright what you wrotted here, your opinion is, that, to have succes in attacking ships is related about how good you make your tactical plans of attack - so if you are able to do a proper attack plan this means in my opinion that you have skills and having good skills then you can have irai at expert level.
If you are not capable to elaborate an good attack plan means (in my opinion of cource) that you must practice more and in meean time you can help you a bit by setting the IRAI at your level (beginer or intermediate) - this i was talking about when i spoked about the skills related to the IRAI setting levels.

regards,
stoianm

02-21-11, 03:06 PM	#6
Nicolas Commander Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Uruguay Posts: 453 Downloads: 196 Uploads: 4	Best way to attack under those conditions is to try fire at long range +-3 km

02-21-11, 07:15 AM	#8
Drewcifer Commodore Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 601 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Glad to get some reinforcements Krauter! Its not a matter of skill, its not a realistically possible plan. No Sub captain is marching in to sacrifice his boat over a carrier to dance with 12 escorts in the english channel. Don't change the difficulty settings, make better tactical choices.

02-21-11, 12:56 PM	#10
Drewcifer Commodore Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 601 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Regardless of the date, going head to head with a task force of that size, in the english channel... is nothing short of suicide. Put yourself in the boat.. your real flesh and blood self. As Krauter said.. a real captain would make a contact report.. take some readings, speed, course.. and shadow. Deeper water, perhaps dark of night, ideal weather.. as a u boat captain stealth IS your weapon, do everything in your power to make the fight on YOUR terms. essentially you are a coward, always picking the unfair fight.. BUT thats just the way it is, your smaller, and less equiped you will never be able to go toe to toe with destroyers. And with that amount they can sit off you and passively track you while making DC runs on you all day. Honestly unless I was ordered to kill that carrier as captain of my boat i'd just report the task force to bdu and continue on my way. There is plenty of targets to be had and for alot less trouble.