Crew don't go to stations.

TorpX · 02-11-11, 01:28 PM

As you have discovered, the whole crew system is FUBAR.

The only way I was able to promote crew in this situation, was to "dismiss" (rotate), some of the petty officers. The game will not allow you to exceed a certain number of that rate. You would think that there would be automatic ratations, but there aren't.

WernherVonTrapp · 02-11-11, 02:43 PM

Promotions, if they are available, can be accessed through the crew management section at Home Port only. Some promotions are done automatically at sea as their experience levels increase to the maximum possible for their rank.

Alky · 02-11-11, 03:07 PM

Well... you could go to your C:\Users\<user>\Documents\SH4\data\cfg\savegames\ and edit the ActivePlayerUnits.upc file with notepad where it says...

[UserPlayerUnit 1]
ID=Sargo
NameDisplayable=Sargo
UnitName=USS Spearfish (SS-190)
UpgradeClass=1
Type=Sargo
UnitInterval=1939-01-16 00:00:00, 1946-12-11 00:00:00
ExternalClassName=SSSargo
Nationality=American
Evolution=Normal
Damage=0.000000
TextureName=data/Submarine/NSS_Sargo/NSS_Sargo_T01.tga
LightmapTextureName=data/Submarine/NSS_Sargo/NSS_Sargo_O01.tga
NormalmapTextureName=data/Submarine/NSS_Sargo/NSS_Sargo_N01.tga
MenuSilhouetteTextureName=Salmon_Class_01.tga
MaxOfficers=24 <-- change this
MaxPettyOfficers=30 <-- change this
StartUserPlayerUnitMissionDateTime=1941-12-07 13:00:00
CurrentUserPlayerUnitMissionDateTime=1941-12-07 13:00:00
SilentState=false

For best results and no CTD's, do it in port before you go to configure the crew.
At the start of a carreer is a good time too.
You can also edit the player renown the same way in a file called CareerTrack.upc

Ducimus · 02-11-11, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TorpX

The only way I was able to promote crew in this situation, was to "dismiss" (rotate), some of the petty officers.

Thats the general idea. Did you know that 1/3rd of the crew would be rotated off a fleet boat when they returned from patrol? This isn't simulated in game.

Historically the idea was to mix the old salts with the green horns, so their knowledge would rub off and be handed down. An entirely green crew isn't a good idea, and if a boat with an all seasoned crew was lost, then so was the gained knowledge and experience.

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The game will not allow you to exceed a certain number of that rate.

As intended. Seriously, what do you want, an all khaki crew- each with an uber skill? That be highly unrealistic. Can you a platoon of foot sloggers, where every man was ranked a colonel? In the real world, In any military unit, there's only a certain number of slots open for a given rank.

TorpX · 02-11-11, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Thats the general idea. Did you know that 1/3rd of the crew would be rotated off a fleet boat when they returned from patrol? This isn't simulated in game.

Historically the idea was to mix the old salts with the green horns, so their knowledge would rub off and be handed down. An entirely green crew isn't a good idea, and if a boat with an all seasoned crew was lost, then so was the gained knowledge and experience.

Yes, I do realize this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

As intended. Seriously, what do you want, an all khaki crew- each with an uber skill? That be highly unrealistic. Can you a platoon of foot sloggers, where every man was ranked a colonel? In the real world, In any military unit, there's only a certain number of slots open for a given rank.

I wasn't complaining about not having a boat stuffed with petty officers. It just seems odd the way it is in the game; I choose which men are "dismissed" as though I'm court-martialing them for something. The pool of replacements seems too small, requiring that I bring back those previously "dismissed", or consign the experienced men in the crew to inferior and undeserved rank.
To put it in general terms, I'm saying the game system for crew experience/ability is not well thought out. I know this is a shock to you.

Ducimus · 02-11-11, 05:21 PM

Yeah I agree its crappy, but its all we have to work with. One alterior motive i had with Abilities in TMO was to give you a desire to rotate some of them. The game won't do it for you, and nobody can make you. But to have a want to?

(I dunno if i succeeded in that, but that was the idea. )

TorpX · 02-11-11, 05:59 PM

I'll admit to being a little disgusted with the crew business.
I've noticed my crew's morale never changes from "normal", they don't warn me when we're under fire, and recently I caught some of them sleeping while we were at general quarters.
Oh, I almost forgot, the radar operator(s) are always intently looking at the glass at their station. The only problem is, I don't have radar.
I guess I'll just have to pretend, they are doing their jobs.

Ducimus · 02-11-11, 06:26 PM

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I've noticed my crew's morale never changes from "normal"

Yeah i know. I wish i knew where to tweak that. I hate it.

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recently I caught some of them sleeping while we were at general quarters

You had battle stations enabled too long is my guess.

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Oh, I almost forgot, the radar operator(s) are always intently looking at the glass at their station. The only problem is, I don't have radar.

Most of the war you will have radar. What bugs me is they're looking at it, even while submerged. I wonder if i can fix that.

TorpX · 02-11-11, 07:33 PM

I wouldn't worry about it; its really a minor thing. I know you've had a serious case of burnout.

I think the reason it (and other things) bothers me, is that it would not have been that difficult for Ubi to fix these things. They have the source code, the tools, the expertise. Even if they decided that the project was not going to be a huge money maker, they should have brought it to a proper conclusion, if only to maintain their brand.

razark · 02-11-11, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Most of the war you will have radar. What bugs me is they're looking at it, even while submerged. I wonder if i can fix that.

Someone started a rumor that it's not really a radar, it's a TV. They're trying to tune in and watch "Victory at Sea".

Gerald · 02-11-11, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Yeah i know. I wish i knew where to tweak that. I hate it.

You had battle stations enabled too long is my guess.

Most of the war you will have radar. What bugs me is they're looking at it, even while submerged. I wonder if i can fix that.

Think of it as a challenge to fix!

02-11-11, 01:28 PM	#1
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	As you have discovered, the whole crew system is FUBAR. The only way I was able to promote crew in this situation, was to "dismiss" (rotate), some of the petty officers. The game will not allow you to exceed a certain number of that rate. You would think that there would be automatic ratations, but there aren't.

02-11-11, 02:43 PM	#2
WernherVonTrapp Admiral Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Now, alot farther from NYC. Posts: 2,228 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	Promotions, if they are available, can be accessed through the crew management section at Home Port only. Some promotions are done automatically at sea as their experience levels increase to the maximum possible for their rank. __________________ "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -Miyamoto Musashi ------------------------------------------------------- "What is truth?" -Pontius Pilate

02-11-11, 03:07 PM	#3
Alky Lieutenant Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Abbotsford BC Canada Posts: 258 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 0	Well... you could go to your C:\Users\<user>\Documents\SH4\data\cfg\savegames\ and edit the ActivePlayerUnits.upc file with notepad where it says... [UserPlayerUnit 1] ID=Sargo NameDisplayable=Sargo UnitName=USS Spearfish (SS-190) UpgradeClass=1 Type=Sargo UnitInterval=1939-01-16 00:00:00, 1946-12-11 00:00:00 ExternalClassName=SSSargo Nationality=American Evolution=Normal Damage=0.000000 TextureName=data/Submarine/NSS_Sargo/NSS_Sargo_T01.tga LightmapTextureName=data/Submarine/NSS_Sargo/NSS_Sargo_O01.tga NormalmapTextureName=data/Submarine/NSS_Sargo/NSS_Sargo_N01.tga MenuSilhouetteTextureName=Salmon_Class_01.tga MaxOfficers=24 <-- change this MaxPettyOfficers=30 <-- change this StartUserPlayerUnitMissionDateTime=1941-12-07 13:00:00 CurrentUserPlayerUnitMissionDateTime=1941-12-07 13:00:00 SilentState=false For best results and no CTD's, do it in port before you go to configure the crew. At the start of a carreer is a good time too. You can also edit the player renown the same way in a file called CareerTrack.upc __________________

02-11-11, 05:59 PM	#7
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	I'll admit to being a little disgusted with the crew business. I've noticed my crew's morale never changes from "normal", they don't warn me when we're under fire, and recently I caught some of them sleeping while we were at general quarters. Oh, I almost forgot, the radar operator(s) are always intently looking at the glass at their station. The only problem is, I don't have radar. I guess I'll just have to pretend, they are doing their jobs.

02-11-11, 07:33 PM	#9
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	I wouldn't worry about it; its really a minor thing. I know you've had a serious case of burnout. I think the reason it (and other things) bothers me, is that it would not have been that difficult for Ubi to fix these things. They have the source code, the tools, the expertise. Even if they decided that the project was not going to be a huge money maker, they should have brought it to a proper conclusion, if only to maintain their brand.

02-11-11, 05:21 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Yeah I agree its crappy, but its all we have to work with. One alterior motive i had with Abilities in TMO was to give you a desire to rotate some of them. The game won't do it for you, and nobody can make you. But to have a want to? (I dunno if i succeeded in that, but that was the idea. )