Indonesia: Angry Muslim crowd attacks Java churches

[AVGWarhawk]

Fun lov'in bunch they are!

So is this the same 1000 strong mob that burned down the mosque and killed the muslims?

[Rockstar]

Everyone from dictators to religious groups think they do God service. Peace loving christians have had their crusade. Hitler thought he was just finishing up where christians left off and now it's the muslims turn. 'cept I think this one is eventually going world wide.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Everyone from dictators to religious groups think they do God service. Peace loving christians have had their crusade. Hitler thought he was just finishing up where christians left off and now it's the muslims turn. 'cept I think this one is eventually going world wide.

Isn't it that already by claim, and almost that by deed? I mean it is integral part of the ideologic agenda. Muhammad said participation is mandatory for Muhameddan males. No wonder - he did not need an army of deserters, did he.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Isn't it that already by claim, and almost that by deed? I mean it is integral part of the ideologic agenda. Muhammad said participation is mandatory for Muhameddan males. No wonder - he did not need an army of deserters, did he.

Skybird last I looked if things keep going like they are half of all human births on this planet will be to Muslim families by 2055. And they know it. Not to mention a surge in conversions to Islam since 9-11. Yep, I'd wager by the end of the century you're either going to submit or face the caliphs blade


"Islam our religion today, your religion tomorrow"
slogan used by muslims protesting in Europe 1989

[Skybird]

Rockstar,

demography certainly is a weapon, and like it was said that chemical weapons are the poor state's atomic bomb, demography is Islam's atomic bomb. But then again: demography has it's own inner dynamics, with consequences that were caused by it feeding back on it. The age and gender structure of current Muslim states will continue to support the energetic expansion of Islamic societies for another 2 generations, 50-60 years from now on - then said nations will be where Europe and the West are today: overaged societies with all the problematic implications we now feel in the West from that.

Some of the more ambitious Islamic leaders know that and thus push very hard to make hay while the sun is shining - for the next 5-6 decades. After that their societies again will lack the vitality to expand by aggressive movement, and they will meet the age-paralysis in a far more unprepared manner than the West meets the same problem today. Until then, we must hold out and hold our ground, somehow. Which may prove difficult, since we ourselves are currently in the declining phase of our cultural cycle, and facing even greater additional challenges than ever before: the rise of Asia and its economic potence, the shortage of ressources, the inner weakness of our culture due to the decadence eroding our will to defend the values our societies historically have emerged from.

In the thread on Egypt I just have referred to Gunnar Heihnsohn. If you happen to understand German, get one of the books I mentioned there. My argumentation regarding the power of demography mostly is due to Heihnsohn's arguments and statistical data. He is brilliant, and often underestimated.

[Krauter]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Until then, we must hold out and hold our ground, somehow.

Starting to sound mightyly like a religious war between Islamics and non-Islamics based on that sentence. Half the Muslim and Islamic people I know denounce this so called jihad against the West. Its only these bloody crackpots in power, and their thugs, as well as crackpots on 'this side' that hype up this clash in ideals.

Not meaning to draw parallels are imply anything. But "Holding our ground against the Muslims sounds awefully like an angry, anti-semitic artist who dragged Europe into flames in the 30s and 40s.

Again I don't want to imply anything and using said name is in my opinion cliche'd when talking about this kind of thing.. but again that was my most vivid image when reading that sentence.

[joegrundman]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Skybird last I looked if things keep going like they are half of all human births on this planet will be to Muslim families by 2055. And they know it. Not to mention a surge in conversions to Islam since 9-11. Yep, I'd wager by the end of the century you're either going to submit or face the caliphs blade


"Islam our religion today, your religion tomorrow"
slogan used by muslims protesting in Europe 1989

i was reading somewhere that most of the demographic increase in muslim societies was due not to more births, but longer lives. in other words, it is not so much the birth rate increasing as the death rate decreasing at the other end. (not so much the effect of declining infant mortality) - so there is reason to believe the muslim population increase will start to slow soon as the population ages.

Conversion, i understand is insignificant as a source of new recruits. European increase is through immigration, global muslim increase is through aging.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Everyone from dictators to religious groups think they do God service. Peace loving christians have had their crusade. Hitler thought he was just finishing up where christians left off and now it's the muslims turn. 'cept I think this one is eventually going world wide.

Hitler Just disliked the jews.

When it comes to the crusades, the entire WORLD wasn't a really safe place to be. Now, In a time when most major countries want peace...Islam is wanting war. So i feel it's different.

[joegrundman]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So is this the same 1000 strong mob that burned down the mosque and killed the muslims?

that may have been a separate incident, against Ahmadiya people. You know Ahmadiya, the sect that has been banned in Pakistan from referring to themselves as Muslim, and in Indonesia are referred to as a heretical, or is it deviant, sect?

So perhaps i should have acknowledged that we need more of these angry mainstream muslim mobs