Internet Explorer Users Beware!

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Remember when Firefox users couldn't visit SubSim for a week? Must have felt very educated and sensible.

Haha, very good.

I use Firefox, have done for years. I don't like IE too much, but it's not actively awful, at least in version 8+. I hate Chrome for the same reason I dislike Apple products - it feels like I'm using a toy. Firefox I can keep the way I likes it.

What the hell do I know though, I like Vista

[Growler]

Microsoft's the biggest kid on the block; of course people are going to take potshots. Some may be justified, some, not so much.

I used Firefox until it started getting v....e....r....y....s....l....o....w.... loading pages. Then I switched to Chrome; I'm satisfied with it, and with the Firewall and Security software I've loaded onto this thing. It's not a matter of which one's "more secure" or whatever. I just like what I use at the moment.

And consider: Microsoft is writing and maintaining how many zillion lines of code, on how many different types of platforms, across how many languages, across how many different iterations of not only OS, but also web browsers, Office software... frankly, I'm not surprised that there are errors and holes. What amazes me is that any of it works at all, let alone as well as it does.

[CaptainHaplo]

Maddogk - I own no stocks in M$, nor am I a developer - for them or anyone else.

what choice do we have ?

For the majority of users, there are a lot of choices. What flavor gui would you like running Linux? Want something that looks and acts like windows, just with different logos and some minor differences? Its out there, in spades. Productivity software? Open Office works find on Linux or Mac. WINE even allows you to play windows based games, All for free.

The market hasn't moved to this because people don't like change. So complain to the people that don't like to change what they do, instead of about the company that makes it easy for them to just "keep doing".

Seriously - you shouldn't judge people based on one snippet and your own anti-whatever attitude. I know network and system security. I am not beholden to one entity. Not Cisco, not Bay Area, not HP or Dell, and not M$ or Sun either.

The OP tone was "anything is better than xxxx" - and I simply proved that the "anythings" mentioned had their share of problems. Hate it that it rubbed against your anti-M$ veiwpoint, but thats your problem, not mine.

[the_tyrant]

You know what, Microsoft products seem unsafe because so many hackers are trying to find exploits in it
Number of vulnerabilities

Vendor Name Number of Products Number of Vulnerabilities #Vulnerabilities/#Products
1 Microsoft 307 2534 8
2 Apple 91 1393 15
3 SUN 200 1207 6
4 IBM 213 1133 5
5 Oracle 139 980 7
6 Cisco 566 855 2
7 Mozilla 14 790 56
8 Linux 12 763 64

source:http://cvedetails.com/top-50-vendors.php?year=0

Really, its not that bad considering how many Microsoft products there are out there, and the market share of those Microsoft products

[Feuer Frei!]

TWO WORDS:

OPEN SOURCE!

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

Really, I'm not judging you or anyone else.
Why are you so defensive ?

BTW, I HATE GUI's, I could live in a text only world, but too many of games I play require (cough,cough) windows, directX, and drivers to support the GUI.

Really mate?
Text only?
sure its possible, and i can use windows command prompt and linux but suggesting that we stop using the gui is absurd

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Really mate?
Text only?
sure its possible, and i can use windows command prompt and linux but suggesting that we stop using the gui is absurd

He's hardcore, all-the-way console. I had my dog days there a few years back - nothing really beats it.

Erm, except getting outside on a regular basis.

That was a shot at myself, not MaddogK.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by MaddogK

Really, I'm not judging you or anyone else.
Why are you so defensive ?

He wasn't being defensive. He was responding directly you this

I love these threads because it pulls the MS stockholders and devs out of the woodwork.

which sounds like an accusation that the only people who will support IE on a thread is and MS stockholder or dev. That deserves exactly the response it recieved.

[antikristuseke]

Just use Opera, it's secure, looks nice and is very functional.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Just use Opera, it's secure,

http://www.vupen.com/english/advisories/2011/0189

I read about critical security holes in Opera at least every 2 months. That statistically mit scores relatively few security problems becoming relevant is for the same reason as why Macintosh browsers are much more unsecure than Windows 7, but still score lower hits on emerging problems: Macs have a market share of just 8% or so, and Opera of even less: I think 3% or less. It is not interesting for hackers to develope attack tools for opera, or Mac: too few targets out there. Give it 30%, and you will see it getting under fire.

[CaptainHaplo]

Want to be secure? I'll do for you all what I did on a security consult one day years ago and I won't even charge you all for it! Realize, this was back before wireless really kicked on. A business owner had only a few employees, but was worried about getting "hacked". So he calls and asks for a security audit. I oblige, and offer him a number of options that would mitigate his risk and insure he was upholding his due diligence responsibility. When he heard "mitigate risk" he stopped me and said he wanted to be IMMUNE to being hacked over the internet. I chuckled silently and then told him I could to that for $250 dollars, and I could guarantee he could not be hacked via a "public" net connection.

He said "really?" and wrote me a check on the spot. I thanked him, walked into where his router was, and disconnected the cable from his CSU/DSU. Of course, no work outside the office could be done now. No email, no phone (VOIP was in use), etc. He started up with "That isn't what I want, I can't do business this way!". I plugged him back in, and then proceeded to explain that no network - if it touches the rest of the world, can ever be 100% guaranteed safe.

You want to be truly secure? Get of the net. Otherwise, use common sense, stay up to date with software patches, secure your networks (ESPECIALLY wireless) and use good strength or better passwords.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by Skybird

http://www.vupen.com/english/advisories/2011/0189

I read about critical security holes in Opera at least every 2 months. That statistically mit scores relatively few security problems becoming relevant is for the same reason as why Macintosh browsers are much more unsecure than Windows 7, but still score lower hits on emerging problems: Macs have a market share of just 8% or so, and Opera of even less: I think 3% or less. It is not interesting for hackers to develope attack tools for opera, or Mac: too few targets out there. Give it 30%, and you will see it getting under fire.

Every browser has vulnerabilities and im not surprised that you hear about opera ones every now and again. Still it is one of the more secure browsers out there.
also if you pay attention you will notice this little thing there

Changelog


2011-01-21 : Initial release
2011-01-27 : Updated Solution

So withing 6 days of the issue being reported it was patched.