Russian Defense Minister Causes Uproar With Call to Replace Famed AK-47 - Page 2

MH · 01-22-11, 01:00 PM

Assault rifles are to be accurate and easy to aim night or day up to 300-400 meters under any condition.
Its not about sniping at long distance.
As some studies proved sometimes thousands of bullets shot achieved nothing or few hits because of poor training or equipment
Simple test-go to shooting range and try to hit target within just 25 meters on full auto and then try the same on semi auto,ln full auto you will waste about 70% of ammo on neutral cardboard target.

Oberon · 01-22-11, 01:00 PM

Nothing wrong with the Kalashnikov family, like Xabba says, probably political grandstanding to give the arms manufacturers a kick up the backside.

bookworm_020 · 01-22-11, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Nothing wrong with the Kalashnikov family, like Xabba says, probably political grandstanding to give the arms manufacturers a kick up the backside.

More likely a demand for better kickbacks!

Oberon · 01-22-11, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

More likely a demand for better kickbacks!

Touché

CCIP · 01-22-11, 04:44 PM

That, and distracting from the real issues and need for reforms in the Russian Army. All this hand-waving about weaponry allows them to drag their feet on professionalizing the army and improving the conditions for soldiers.

Stealth Hunter · 01-22-11, 09:50 PM

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Built and designed in Russia during World War II, the AK-47 is considered the first true assault rifle.

Not quite. The AK47's final version was not constructed until 1946, at which point it entered its final trials. A finishing modification to the ejection system was made in 1947 to improve the overall reliability of the weapon, and it was distributed for testing. It was not registered in service until 1949, either.

If you want the first "true" assault rifle, look to the Germans, not the Russians, for the Sturmgewehr 44.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgewehr_44

Ducimus · 01-23-11, 11:30 AM

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Oh? I thought the AK-47 and AKM were long withdrawn from front line service in Russia and replaced by modern versions of the AK-74...

was about to say this. People seem to confuse ALL AK's with being an "AK-47". I guess it's the same thing as all asian swords being called a "samurai sword".

MH · 01-23-11, 11:38 AM

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was about to say this. People seem to confuse ALL AK's with being an "AK-47". I guess it's the same thing as all asian swords being called a "samurai sword".

Functionality is not much different with AK 74.
Its a good gun but its a farmers rifle in concept.

Raptor1 · 01-23-11, 11:51 AM

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Functionality is not much different with AK 74.
Its a good gun but its a farmers rifle in concept.

What is it that makes it a 'farmer's rifle', exactly? Both the AK-74 and the M-16 (And the AK-47, for that matter) are designed for pretty much the same purpose.

MH · 01-23-11, 12:07 PM

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What is it that makes it a 'farmer's rifle', exactly? Both the AK-74 and the M-16 (And the AK-47, for that matter) are designed for pretty much the same purpose.

As i said AK is good gun but M16 has come long way in its design to be solid platform for use of modern accessories.
While AK is not so functional in this department because of its basic design.
To attach any thing to the gun is more of work around than integrating it.

Ducimus · 01-23-11, 12:08 PM

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What is it that makes it a 'farmer's rifle', exactly? .

The AK line is made with much looser tolerances. A much more forgiving rifle given its renown for reliability and doesn't require much maintenance. You don't have to be trained to maintain it. A farmer could use it.

The M16 family, is made with much tighter tolerances, and requires routine maintenance, or it jamb's and and acts like a POS. This rifle requires a trained individual to get the most out of it.

MH · 01-23-11, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

The AK line is made with much looser tolerances. A much more forgiving rifle given its renown for reliability and doesn't require much maintenance. You don't have to be trained to maintain it. A farmer could use it.

The M16 family, is made with much tighter tolerances, and requires routine maintenance, or it jamb's and and acts like a POS. This rifle requires a trained individual to get the most out of it.

......And that too

yubba · 01-23-11, 01:55 PM

I got one, but it still can't milk a cow

nikimcbee · 01-23-11, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

The AK line is made with much looser tolerances. A much more forgiving rifle given its renown for reliability and doesn't require much maintenance. You don't have to be trained to maintain it. A farmer could use it.

The M16 family, is made with much tighter tolerances, and requires routine maintenance, or it jamb's and and acts like a POS. This rifle requires a trained individual to get the most out of it.

We need to post some shows comparing the AK to the m-16, or just ask Mr. Kalashnikov himself.

nikimcbee · 01-23-11, 02:07 PM

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I got one, but it still can't milk a cow

Are you sure it is a cow and not a bull?

Was the cow smiling or not?

01-22-11, 01:00 PM	#16
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Assault rifles are to be accurate and easy to aim night or day up to 300-400 meters under any condition. Its not about sniping at long distance. As some studies proved sometimes thousands of bullets shot achieved nothing or few hits because of poor training or equipment Simple test-go to shooting range and try to hit target within just 25 meters on full auto and then try the same on semi auto,ln full auto you will waste about 70% of ammo on neutral cardboard target. Last edited by MH; 01-22-11 at 02:48 PM.

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CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	That, and distracting from the real issues and need for reforms in the Russian Army. All this hand-waving about weaponry allows them to drag their feet on professionalizing the army and improving the conditions for soldiers. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Nothing wrong with the Kalashnikov family, like Xabba says, probably political grandstanding to give the arms manufacturers a kick up the backside.

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yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	I got one, but it still can't milk a cow