Russian Defense Minister Causes Uproar With Call to Replace Famed AK-47

Raptor1 · 01-22-11, 12:42 PM

Oh? I thought the AK-47 and AKM were long withdrawn from front line service in Russia and replaced by modern versions of the AK-74...

CCIP · 01-22-11, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

Oh? I thought the AK-47 and AKM were long withdrawn from front line service in Russia and replaced by modern versions of the AK-74...

I'm pretty sure he's referring to AK weapons in general. AK-74 and its versions are, at their core, still follow the same basic design.

Raptor1 · 01-22-11, 12:53 PM

Oh, I see. Though the AK-74 is supposed to be much more accurate than the AK-47 and AKM.

Oberon · 01-22-11, 01:00 PM

Nothing wrong with the Kalashnikov family, like Xabba says, probably political grandstanding to give the arms manufacturers a kick up the backside.

bookworm_020 · 01-22-11, 04:03 PM

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Nothing wrong with the Kalashnikov family, like Xabba says, probably political grandstanding to give the arms manufacturers a kick up the backside.

More likely a demand for better kickbacks!

Oberon · 01-22-11, 04:33 PM

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More likely a demand for better kickbacks!

Touché

CCIP · 01-22-11, 04:44 PM

That, and distracting from the real issues and need for reforms in the Russian Army. All this hand-waving about weaponry allows them to drag their feet on professionalizing the army and improving the conditions for soldiers.

Ducimus · 01-23-11, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

Oh? I thought the AK-47 and AKM were long withdrawn from front line service in Russia and replaced by modern versions of the AK-74...

was about to say this. People seem to confuse ALL AK's with being an "AK-47". I guess it's the same thing as all asian swords being called a "samurai sword".

MH · 01-23-11, 11:38 AM

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was about to say this. People seem to confuse ALL AK's with being an "AK-47". I guess it's the same thing as all asian swords being called a "samurai sword".

Functionality is not much different with AK 74.
Its a good gun but its a farmers rifle in concept.

Raptor1 · 01-23-11, 11:51 AM

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Functionality is not much different with AK 74.
Its a good gun but its a farmers rifle in concept.

What is it that makes it a 'farmer's rifle', exactly? Both the AK-74 and the M-16 (And the AK-47, for that matter) are designed for pretty much the same purpose.

MH · 01-23-11, 12:07 PM

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What is it that makes it a 'farmer's rifle', exactly? Both the AK-74 and the M-16 (And the AK-47, for that matter) are designed for pretty much the same purpose.

As i said AK is good gun but M16 has come long way in its design to be solid platform for use of modern accessories.
While AK is not so functional in this department because of its basic design.
To attach any thing to the gun is more of work around than integrating it.

Ducimus · 01-23-11, 12:08 PM

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What is it that makes it a 'farmer's rifle', exactly? .

The AK line is made with much looser tolerances. A much more forgiving rifle given its renown for reliability and doesn't require much maintenance. You don't have to be trained to maintain it. A farmer could use it.

The M16 family, is made with much tighter tolerances, and requires routine maintenance, or it jamb's and and acts like a POS. This rifle requires a trained individual to get the most out of it.

MH · 01-23-11, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

The AK line is made with much looser tolerances. A much more forgiving rifle given its renown for reliability and doesn't require much maintenance. You don't have to be trained to maintain it. A farmer could use it.

The M16 family, is made with much tighter tolerances, and requires routine maintenance, or it jamb's and and acts like a POS. This rifle requires a trained individual to get the most out of it.

......And that too

yubba · 01-23-11, 01:55 PM

I got one, but it still can't milk a cow

nikimcbee · 01-23-11, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

The AK line is made with much looser tolerances. A much more forgiving rifle given its renown for reliability and doesn't require much maintenance. You don't have to be trained to maintain it. A farmer could use it.

The M16 family, is made with much tighter tolerances, and requires routine maintenance, or it jamb's and and acts like a POS. This rifle requires a trained individual to get the most out of it.

We need to post some shows comparing the AK to the m-16, or just ask Mr. Kalashnikov himself.

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