Say what you will about Glenn Beck...

Growler · 01-18-11, 09:37 PM

[sigh]

My issue with religion is based on my participation in it, and observations of it. In my experience, I have found that those who trumpet loudest about what "good Christians" they are inevitably prove the opposite. I've watched "good Christians" lie, cheat, steal, while good people who didn't believe the same way were passed over for doing things correctly, honorably, and morally right. I watched a man who, as the deacon of the church where I grew up, ministered to the ill, the poor, the lonely, with care, compassion, and equity - and I watched him die bereft, divorced after 40 years, estranged from his kids by his ex-wife, destitute and alone in an apartment building that would make the gulag look like Monaco.

I cannot find ANY religious/faith/spiritual justification for any kind of supreme deity who, in his allegedly infinite wisdom and majesty, created mankind in his image - his most perfect creation - then abandoned it to murder, mayhem, and destruction of his most perfect creation. Many of you are parents - would you, as loving parents, allow your children to kill each other, "for the lesson it teaches them, for their own good" etc? There can be no explanation for the lack of interest demonstrated by a god in the face of the inequities levied by humans, on humans. I watched two of the most devout, spiritually-driven people I have ever known die in utter agony from illnesses well within divine power to counter. But I suppose excruciating pain in your most loyal followers is part of some divine plan, to show how much you love us.

Am I bitter? You better believe it. I have never been anything but betrayed and lied to on behalf of "god" and his followers. And now I see that same betrayal being perpetuated by commentators who want to foster the inclusion of that betrayal into governing law.

Golden Rivet, I was not attacking you in my response. I'm sorry you feel that I was - I specifically stated that my opinion was based on what I read, not on the video - there's no "Edited:" tag on my post there - you'll see that was my intention from the inception of the post. I'm sorry you felt that a justifiable reason to insult me as well as reason to out-of-hand dismiss what I posted.

01-18-11, 09:37 PM	#13
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	[sigh] My issue with religion is based on my participation in it, and observations of it. In my experience, I have found that those who trumpet loudest about what "good Christians" they are inevitably prove the opposite. I've watched "good Christians" lie, cheat, steal, while good people who didn't believe the same way were passed over for doing things correctly, honorably, and morally right. I watched a man who, as the deacon of the church where I grew up, ministered to the ill, the poor, the lonely, with care, compassion, and equity - and I watched him die bereft, divorced after 40 years, estranged from his kids by his ex-wife, destitute and alone in an apartment building that would make the gulag look like Monaco. I cannot find ANY religious/faith/spiritual justification for any kind of supreme deity who, in his allegedly infinite wisdom and majesty, created mankind in his image - his most perfect creation - then abandoned it to murder, mayhem, and destruction of his most perfect creation. Many of you are parents - would you, as loving parents, allow your children to kill each other, "for the lesson it teaches them, for their own good" etc? There can be no explanation for the lack of interest demonstrated by a god in the face of the inequities levied by humans, on humans. I watched two of the most devout, spiritually-driven people I have ever known die in utter agony from illnesses well within divine power to counter. But I suppose excruciating pain in your most loyal followers is part of some divine plan, to show how much you love us. Am I bitter? You better believe it. I have never been anything but betrayed and lied to on behalf of "god" and his followers. And now I see that same betrayal being perpetuated by commentators who want to foster the inclusion of that betrayal into governing law. Golden Rivet, I was not attacking you in my response. I'm sorry you feel that I was - I specifically stated that my opinion was based on what I read, not on the video - there's no "Edited:" tag on my post there - you'll see that was my intention from the inception of the post. I'm sorry you felt that a justifiable reason to insult me as well as reason to out-of-hand dismiss what I posted. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.