Say what you will about Glenn Beck... - Page 2

gimpy117 · 01-18-11, 07:49 PM

yeah again, the rich make so much more money than we do but they moan about taxes the most, and get away with it. It's because although it may seem like a lot, take 30% of millions, and its a lot easier to make a living on what left over than it is 20% of 30,000.

tater · 01-18-11, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I think people may be missing the point. Her tax bill is most likely pretty low. People with any substantial wealth will structure their investments and income so as to minimize their tax liability. The companies she owns are also structured to minimize their taxes paid.

She has a brand to maintain. The brand of being an approachable woman who's just like the ones who watch her at home - the kind of friend you'd invite over for coffee. She shares the same everyday trials and tribulations you do! She hates traffic (nevermind that she take a limo everywhere), she has bad hair days (nevermind that she has a team of stylists), she hates to pay her taxes...get it?

You can beat her up and call her a hypocrite all you want. But you need to realize that you've been suckered into her marketing image as much as anyone else.

I'm not suckered by anything. I said she campaigns for Democrats. Regardless of marketing, that is taking a public position on matters of policy (that's what an endorsement is, after all).

He tax bill, while it may have a very much lower effective rate is still no doubt huge. She's single, and a single share of last years budget, plus a single share of the entire national debt would only be 50-60 grand. How many shares will she pay this year?

How about all those on the left in here agree with me to push for the left to send everyone in the country a bill for their share of the national debt? As I recall it's like 45k per person, so 180 grand for a family of 4 to have their share paid in full. The IRS can work out a payment plan for those who can't just write a check for it. I'll pony up our 180 grand if everyone else will do likewise and be happy the problem is solved (as long as spending is then slashed so it never exceeds revenue except in the case of perhaps a declared war).

UnderseaLcpl · 01-18-11, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I think people may be missing the point. Her tax bill is most likely pretty low. People with any substantial wealth will structure their investments and income so as to minimize their tax liability. The companies she owns are also structured to minimize their taxes paid.

She has a brand to maintain. The brand of being an approachable woman who's just like the ones who watch her at home - the kind of friend you'd invite over for coffee. She shares the same everyday trials and tribulations you do! She hates traffic (nevermind that she take a limo everywhere), she has bad hair days (nevermind that she has a team of stylists), she hates to pay her taxes...get it?

You can beat her up and call her a hypocrite all you want. But you need to realize that you've been suckered into her marketing image as much as anyone else.

And that somehow makes her hypocrisy more tolerarable? Oh, I get it, it's okay to espouse social ideals of equality and justice while not practicing them yourself. It'll be just like the Kennedy legacy; a bunch of rich *******s who did virtually nothing to help the people they professed care for.

If she's so keen on her image and marketing, why doesn't she just come out and say "You know what? The free market and my talents got me where I am today but wealth is more important to me than my ideals. Even so, I'd like for all of you to do what I say when it comes to caring and sharing and all that other BS because I am better than you and I know what's best for you."

I think I may well grant Oprah honorary tenure at FU.

tater · 01-18-11, 11:16 PM

The biggest problem for the poor in the US is actually the RURAL poor. The problem is not quality of care, but quantity of care. The rural, "flyover" states have a marked shortage of healthcare providers. Both docs, and secondary providers (nurses, nurse practitioners, and PAs).

The only incentive possible is money, but who wants to move to BF noplace, even for a million a year if they have to be on call very day, or every other day? My wife gets headhunter stuff begging her to come to rural areas almost daily for outrageous sums per year. 500k, plus what you earn above that. This in places where a 500k house would be the biggest house in town by a wide margin, likely you'd have to build one, and it would be a mansion. But lifestyle sucks. Rural schools, and virtually constant call. They tend to get high turn over. Get a single dude who wants to zero his 200k in student loans ASAP, who will then bail for civilization as soon as the contract is up.

It's really the specialists that matter, primary care is typically overrated by health policy people as a panacea, and it simply is not. Most primary care "sick" visits are for self-limiting conditions. The vast, overwhelming majority. See the doc and get (unneeded) antibiotics as empirical care, or wait the 10 days you're on the antibiotics and get well anyway. When you need a specialist, that's when you need real healthcare.

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gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	yeah again, the rich make so much more money than we do but they moan about taxes the most, and get away with it. It's because although it may seem like a lot, take 30% of millions, and its a lot easier to make a living on what left over than it is 20% of 30,000. __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The biggest problem for the poor in the US is actually the RURAL poor. The problem is not quality of care, but quantity of care. The rural, "flyover" states have a marked shortage of healthcare providers. Both docs, and secondary providers (nurses, nurse practitioners, and PAs). The only incentive possible is money, but who wants to move to BF noplace, even for a million a year if they have to be on call very day, or every other day? My wife gets headhunter stuff begging her to come to rural areas almost daily for outrageous sums per year. 500k, plus what you earn above that. This in places where a 500k house would be the biggest house in town by a wide margin, likely you'd have to build one, and it would be a mansion. But lifestyle sucks. Rural schools, and virtually constant call. They tend to get high turn over. Get a single dude who wants to zero his 200k in student loans ASAP, who will then bail for civilization as soon as the contract is up. It's really the specialists that matter, primary care is typically overrated by health policy people as a panacea, and it simply is not. Most primary care "sick" visits are for self-limiting conditions. The vast, overwhelming majority. See the doc and get (unneeded) antibiotics as empirical care, or wait the 10 days you're on the antibiotics and get well anyway. When you need a specialist, that's when you need real healthcare.