How to pull faster dives in stock 1.5 - Page 2

Mhtsos · 01-12-11, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

I'm sure RR meant he uses this tactic against ships, not planes.

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Yes, I never shoot at planes. I never even see them. People complain about Zeros too far from their bases and I've never seen one. They could be paper airplanes for all I know.

I will use decks awash if I'm in a fly path in an S-Boat though. It's the only way to get down quick enough. Considering the fuel cost, I don't stay in the fly zone very long in that case.

I misunderstood.I thought you did this all the way from Pearl to Japan

Zeros far from land bases are either from carriers(or at least they said so in this forum,I never seen this happen) or from vanilla SH4 where aircraft could be found everywhere.

Rockin Robbins · 01-12-11, 09:46 PM

I understand that in all mod configurations there are inappropriate planes everywhere doing and dropping inappropriate things. But I've never seen it!

commandosolo2009 · 01-13-11, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

I understand that in all mod configurations there are inappropriate planes everywhere doing and dropping inappropriate things. But I've never seen it!

All you gotta do, is to edit the airstrike.cfg and japairpatrol files in CFG and Main. There is a mod out there that reduces the aircrafts presence all around significantly, while increasing their precision if they find you (thereby stressing you to be extra careful). Heer ist its link:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...hlight=webster

another one

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=109586

both address the issue. Stay low, stay hidden, stay safe...

I'm goin' down · 01-13-11, 01:04 AM

schooling RR are you?

(He hasn't been the same since he sunk an Essex.)

Armistead · 01-13-11, 01:23 AM

RR probably ain't visually seen a plane in a year..........

Rockin Robbins · 01-13-11, 07:58 PM

Yeah, they could double the number of airplanes and it just wouldn't matter. They aren't a factor in the game. They aren't even dangerous unless you don't have radar, and even then on an S-Boat cruise I ran the yo-yo strategy with success, just used lower time compression. Oh, and I did crash dive the S-Boat.

What I do is zip around at 1024x or 2048x on the surface. When it comes crashing down to 1x I look for a plane. At that point I draw my infamous ice cream cone graph, a circle of diameter 5 miles radius around my sub (the danger zone from which he can sight me) and two line segments from the plane's position to the outside of my danger circle on both sides. Looks like........an ice cream cone!

Got that set up? Then go to 8x or 16x. No sense getting bored here.

Now, let's say we're working with retarded radar and only spot him 10 miles away. If he crosses the line on the side of the ice cream cone that means he's going to enter the circle of danger. Now we have plenty of time to do what we have to do. All we have to do is submerge so that we are at or below periscope depth as he crosses the danger radius. You can leave the boat at ahead standard. You don't have to crash dive. We're strictly casual here. It's not like the plane is a real danger or anything.

Just hit "d" to dive normally, don't touch the throttle, you'll forget it later and burn up all your fuel (ask me how I know!). As your boat passes periscope depth start your stopwatch and set your depth for 100'. Just as soon as your stop watch says five minutes hit the "s" key and pop up to the surface. Do not hang around at periscope depth looking around. You would miss any planes anyway because of the restricted field of view.

And if you think about it, it takes over five minutes for a newly detected plane to enter your danger radius. There were no other planes when you submerged, therefore you are perfectly safe because your combat awareness picture is 100%. When you hit the surface, if no other planes are in detection range, resume 1024x or 2048x.

Rinse and repeat as necessary. That's my yo-yo plan. At no time during this procedure do I need to spend more than 10 seconds at 1x real time. I've run six or seven minutes off the battery and in 10 I will be at full charge again getting maximum fuel economy.

I have been perfectly safe during the entire procedure. My boat is always at 100% battery capacity or so close to it that it doesn't matter. I am always getting maximum fuel economy because I don't charge batteries much. Because I'm on the surface every second I can be at 9 knots I'm searching more than 10 times more square miles per day than an ostrich and sinking the same ratio of targets.

If diesel-electric subs are fought properly they rock!

commandosolo2009 · 01-16-11, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm goin' down

schooling RR are you?

(He hasn't been the same since he sunk an Essex.)

Well, I guess Lockwood and Nimitz gave him a lesson, so go easy on the man, it was an honest mistake

Rockin Robbins · 01-16-11, 05:41 PM

Yeah, it was their fault. The Essex wasn't supposed to be there.

I know. Nimitz didn't listen to me either.....

TorpX · 01-16-11, 09:00 PM

I've only been playing the S- 18 class boats. In this context most of the advice here seems dubious.

I'll begin with, all of the decks awash business. When I'm at sea, much of the time the seas are rough; often 30kt wind. The decks are already awash. Waves are often up to the bridge. I find it difficult to believe RL subs spent a lot of time at less than full surface. Perhaps, the fleetboats could do that though.

Rockin R:
The "ice cream cone" method is only usable if you have radar and the contact is plotted on the map. When do the S-class get radar? I've never had it. Surfacing without difinitive contact infornation would be an outright gamble.

You stated:
"I am always getting maximum fuel economy because I don't charge batteries much. Because I'm on the surface every second I can be at 9 knots I'm searching more than 10 times more square miles per day than an ostrich and sinking the same ratio of targets."

Are you aware of O'Kane's proceedure of static patroling?
Simply put, they waited on the surface scanning the horizon, then at night moved 20 mi over to do the same thing next day. Roaming around at 9 kts "searching" does little to improve your odds of finding targets and uses up a lot of fuel in the bargain.

Armistead · 01-16-11, 11:47 PM

RR, you hang around this thread you're gonna learn something....

NorthBeach · 01-17-11, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

RR, you hang around this thread you're gonna learn something....

commandosolo2009 · 01-17-11, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

RR, you hang around this thread you're gonna learn something....

HAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

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Originally Posted by NorthBeach

+1

TorpX · 01-17-11, 03:25 PM

As far as my previous post is concerned, I didn't mean to be snarky. My point is that every stratagy dealing with aircraft seems to have its own disadvantages. Perhaps that is just an element of good realistic game play.

BTW, is there much of a difference in the types of aircraft? I've hardly seen a single engine airplane, every time I've been bombed, it's been form a 4 engine flying boat. Once this happened when it was rather dark...scared the crap out of me (I thought I was safe after sunset).

Mescator · 01-18-11, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TorpX

Once this happened when it was rather dark...scared the crap out of me (I thought I was safe after sunset).

Happened to me as well. Thankfully a crewman spotted it and i got my boat under before it managed a run. Don't know if it even saw me.

Lesson learned though, it seems sometimes aircraft fly short distances at night (Happened to me off the coast of Borneo). I'm pretty keen on my SD at night now =p

Armistead · 01-18-11, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TorpX

As far as my previous post is concerned, I didn't mean to be snarky. My point is that every stratagy dealing with aircraft seems to have its own disadvantages. Perhaps that is just an element of good realistic game play.

BTW, is there much of a difference in the types of aircraft? I've hardly seen a single engine airplane, every time I've been bombed, it's been form a 4 engine flying boat. Once this happened when it was rather dark...scared the crap out of me (I thought I was safe after sunset).

We're just funning with ya, RR is one of our oldest and most experienced members and has a whole thread dedicated to his training videos and tactics.

Mods change things up, but they're many type planes in game and they can carry different loadouts. When you have radar you can pick the larger planes up much further away than smaller planes.

When you learn the game, planes shouldn't give you many problems. With radar all I do is hit the dive button, no drawing of lines and never have a problem. Even without radar, a visual sighting I can crash dive and get under most the time.

Playing stock, planes will drive you crazy, too many and they spawn seemingly anywhere, mods correct this.

01-12-11, 09:46 PM	#17
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	I understand that in all mod configurations there are inappropriate planes everywhere doing and dropping inappropriate things. But I've never seen it! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

01-13-11, 01:04 AM	#19
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	you tell 'em commandersolo schooling RR are you? (He hasn't been the same since he sunk an Essex.)

01-13-11, 07:58 PM	#21
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Yeah, they could double the number of airplanes and it just wouldn't matter. They aren't a factor in the game. They aren't even dangerous unless you don't have radar, and even then on an S-Boat cruise I ran the yo-yo strategy with success, just used lower time compression. Oh, and I did crash dive the S-Boat. What I do is zip around at 1024x or 2048x on the surface. When it comes crashing down to 1x I look for a plane. At that point I draw my infamous ice cream cone graph, a circle of diameter 5 miles radius around my sub (the danger zone from which he can sight me) and two line segments from the plane's position to the outside of my danger circle on both sides. Looks like........an ice cream cone! Got that set up? Then go to 8x or 16x. No sense getting bored here. Now, let's say we're working with retarded radar and only spot him 10 miles away. If he crosses the line on the side of the ice cream cone that means he's going to enter the circle of danger. Now we have plenty of time to do what we have to do. All we have to do is submerge so that we are at or below periscope depth as he crosses the danger radius. You can leave the boat at ahead standard. You don't have to crash dive. We're strictly casual here. It's not like the plane is a real danger or anything. Just hit "d" to dive normally, don't touch the throttle, you'll forget it later and burn up all your fuel (ask me how I know!). As your boat passes periscope depth start your stopwatch and set your depth for 100'. Just as soon as your stop watch says five minutes hit the "s" key and pop up to the surface. Do not hang around at periscope depth looking around. You would miss any planes anyway because of the restricted field of view. And if you think about it, it takes over five minutes for a newly detected plane to enter your danger radius. There were no other planes when you submerged, therefore you are perfectly safe because your combat awareness picture is 100%. When you hit the surface, if no other planes are in detection range, resume 1024x or 2048x. Rinse and repeat as necessary. That's my yo-yo plan. At no time during this procedure do I need to spend more than 10 seconds at 1x real time. I've run six or seven minutes off the battery and in 10 I will be at full charge again getting maximum fuel economy. I have been perfectly safe during the entire procedure. My boat is always at 100% battery capacity or so close to it that it doesn't matter. I am always getting maximum fuel economy because I don't charge batteries much. Because I'm on the surface every second I can be at 9 knots I'm searching more than 10 times more square miles per day than an ostrich and sinking the same ratio of targets. If diesel-electric subs are fought properly they rock! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

01-16-11, 05:41 PM	#23
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Yeah, it was their fault. The Essex wasn't supposed to be there. I know. Nimitz didn't listen to me either..... __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

01-16-11, 09:00 PM	#24
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	diving/aircraft I've only been playing the S- 18 class boats. In this context most of the advice here seems dubious. I'll begin with, all of the decks awash business. When I'm at sea, much of the time the seas are rough; often 30kt wind. The decks are already awash. Waves are often up to the bridge. I find it difficult to believe RL subs spent a lot of time at less than full surface. Perhaps, the fleetboats could do that though. Rockin R: The "ice cream cone" method is only usable if you have radar and the contact is plotted on the map. When do the S-class get radar? I've never had it. Surfacing without difinitive contact infornation would be an outright gamble. You stated: "I am always getting maximum fuel economy because I don't charge batteries much. Because I'm on the surface every second I can be at 9 knots I'm searching more than 10 times more square miles per day than an ostrich and sinking the same ratio of targets." Are you aware of O'Kane's proceedure of static patroling? Simply put, they waited on the surface scanning the horizon, then at night moved 20 mi over to do the same thing next day. Roaming around at 9 kts "searching" does little to improve your odds of finding targets and uses up a lot of fuel in the bargain.

01-13-11, 01:23 AM	#20
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	RR probably ain't visually seen a plane in a year..........

01-16-11, 11:47 PM	#25
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	RR, you hang around this thread you're gonna learn something....

01-17-11, 03:25 PM	#28
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	As far as my previous post is concerned, I didn't mean to be snarky. My point is that every stratagy dealing with aircraft seems to have its own disadvantages. Perhaps that is just an element of good realistic game play. BTW, is there much of a difference in the types of aircraft? I've hardly seen a single engine airplane, every time I've been bombed, it's been form a 4 engine flying boat. Once this happened when it was rather dark...scared the crap out of me (I thought I was safe after sunset).