Veganism

Sleep patterns are as different as they come.
What works for some does not work for others.
That fact may have caused the survival of Humans as a species.
One factor that will remove a person from special forces training?
The ability to deal with limited amounts of sleep and still function at a very high level.
If you think that fact is bunk?
I invite you to go through some of that training.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

why is everyone so caloriephobic?
this very moment i'm stuffing chocolate into my mouth:

thats pretty much my lunch, but add around 200 grams of chocolate truffles

You're young. For most of us (not all, but most) after you hit a certain age your metabolism slows down and your weight becomes much harder to manage.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by jumpy

What the hell do you do that needs you to be awake for that long?
Hopefully it's not anything that requires you to either a) drive b) operate machinery c) have anything that needs more than a half hour of concentration at a time d) be responsible for the safety of others working around you.

I've spent plenty of time in the past with, shall we say, extended patterns of waking and sleeping. When staying awake for more than 24 hours at a time followed by a sleep period of less than 8 hours and repeating, auditory and visual hallucinations and lapses of judgement are always very close by, plus I experience a very short temper and a marked decrease in ability to think clearly and to complete complex tasks.
Shift work with those kind of patterns can be done by sheer willpower alone, but it messes your health up long term; your body and brain have evolved to a day/night cycle for a very good reason. It's another reason sleep deprivation is used to break people down.
I'd be quite concerned with that kind of pressure, unless you're getting amphetamines or something... Not having a dig at you, fella, but that kind of sleep pattern is really not good for you.

I work as a security guard at a natural sciences building of a university. By the end of about 30 hours of no sleep my mental capacity has indeed diminished, but not to a high degree, like say I were to take a test at the beginning of my shift and then take the same test at the end I usually do about 3 or 4 points worse on the later test. Add on another 18 hours and the score usually drops by about 15 points and after that it goes down hill quite rapidly. I haven't gotten hallucinations before about 70 hours of wake time.
Before this I served as a recon infantryman, not quite special forces, but as close to one gets while doing their national service here. At one point during basic they had us take an iq test after we had finished a 24km patrol in a swamp after spending 16 hours watching an intersection for "enemy" movement. While it was not something you could consider a proper IQ test, i scored 141 like i had under conditions with no fatigue.

[jumpy]

^^
hehe, well I hope they pay you a ****load for those hours

[razark]

I just happen to like vegetables. Probably my dad's fault. He turned about half the back yard into a garden when I was growing up, and I spent my childhood eating vegetables all the time. Even now, my children will fight over who gets the last brussel sprout.

I've found, however, that I cannot stand canned veggies. I'll eat almost anything raw, steamed, roasted, etc. But if it comes out of a can, it's already ruined.

As much as I love veggies, though, I still find vegans or vegetarians odd. If that's what they want to eat, fine. But expecting everyone to eat it is going a bit too far. (I do have a friend who won't eat any vegetables except for potatoes and tomatoes. I find him just as odd as vegetarians, too.)

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by jumpy

^^
hehe, well I hope they pay you a ****load for those hours

They don't. I make a bit less than 2 euros per hour.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

No surprise there. Worse for you = more marbled fat = more flavor = higher price.

oh yes very much so.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by ERPP8

You're mixing micro and macro economics, it's JUST YOU as a vegan, the meat producers won't say "Oh god, Schroeder isn't eating meat, we need to reduce our production"

First of all I'm neither a vegan nor a complete vegetarian.
Nothing will change just because I stop eating meat. But if I stop and the guy next door stops and his grandmother stops etc the demand for meat is lowered and that means less production of meat since there are no buyers for the original quantity (unless some strange subsidies laws allow you to get tons of money for burning your cattle after slaughtering it...) .
You could just as well say voting is dumb because your single vote won't change anything. But if the guy next door votes for the same party and his grandmother votes and.... then you might change something.

@Skybird
I'm not concerned about the dioxin. It's just the way how it could get into the fodder that is disgusting.

[Skybird]

Schroeder,

this ones for you. I simply enjoy to just listen to the man, no matter what he talks about. It's about dioxine again.



http://www.achgut.tv/20110113509/

[Ducimus]

I just want to say, it is fun eating a big juicy medium rare steak or prime rib in front of a vegetarian. The look of disgust and horror is priceless!

There's a reason why we have incisors.

[Growler]

What you eat is important, but not so much so as what you do. You can be vegan and sit on your butt all day and still weigh what a bus does. Conversely, you can suck down high fat, high calorie meals and be thin as a rail if you're working your tail off in high-energy work.

Lifestyle beyond the table matters in diet as much as what's on the table.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I just want to say, it is fun eating a big juicy medium rare steak or prime rib in front of a vegetarian. The look of disgust and horror is priceless!

There's a reason why we have incisors.

Then you have not eaten in front of too many vegetarians.

Most vegetarians (and I hang out with a butt load of them) really don't care what other people eat, and they find it amusing when people try to "shock" them.

Now there are vegetarians who are insecure in their beliefs or try to influence others, but like in most instances in life, you can't judge the whole by the few.

By trying to "shock" them, you are no better than those annoying vegetarians who try to influence others.

I was a vegetarian for about 7 years and I never cared what other people were eating. It was my way of life and as such was not influenced by how others live.

A pretty good philosophy that many could learn from.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Then you have not eaten in front of too many vegetarians.

Your right, I haven't. I knew of one. He was my best friend at the time. I didn't know he was a vegetarian until i ate a bloody steak in front of him, and he was, "Dude! Really?!". I guess he just assumed i knew, which i didn't (everyone else did apparently). Once he told me, then everything (and all that damn top ramen he ate) suddenly made sense.

[Growler]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

... (and all that damn top ramen he ate) suddenly made sense.

Top ramen is NOT food, nor does eating it make sense. Anywhere. At any time. Even college.

[Platapus]

Oh, I know this woman who is one of those pain in the butt Vegetarians. All she eats is pasta. She is so sickly looking and actually sickly.

She is a prime example of not only a pain in the butt/in your face vegetarian that everyone hates (even vegetarians) but she is an example that not all vegetarians really understand a vegetarian diet.

There is something about vegetables that she does not understand about her diet.