Restricting Violent Speech - Page 5

tater · 01-14-11, 03:24 PM

remember all the Fahrenheit 911 crap? Truther nut cases (talk about "blood libel").

Go back to the Cold War. There have been no shortages of less than civil conduct. We have McCarthy's rhetoric (crappy, but in point of fact VERY popular), then the opposition to McCarthy acting as if they had the high ground, even though they were in fact wrong (the were in fact Soviet agents all through the US government). They were also wrong in minimizing Communism (it was, after all, responsible for more murders than Nazism (even counting all the war dead from WW2 in the Nazi column). The famous "Have you no sense of decency, sir?" speech is always edited down to remove the fact that the same guy was talking about the risk of homosexuals in the military (and they intimated outside the hearings that Roy Cohn was gay).

So the 50s were pretty uncivil.

The 60s were filled with flag burning, actual violence and vandalism of a political nature.

The 40s... also uncivil.

We can do this for every decade, and likely people at the time thought it was the worst ever

TLAM Strike · 01-14-11, 03:58 PM

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I was watching music vids, and found one by Fiona Apple's sister, and listened to it. The "related" videos then had her singing duets with Brent Spiner. Weird. I'll post the link in the music thread, it was pretty surprising.

Yes Brent Spiner is really talented. Just look at all the characters he played on star trek. He also has recorded an album with his fellow Next Gen cast mates.

Penguin · 01-14-11, 04:12 PM

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Yep. It's one of the things we as a society still need to work out. The internet is a great thing but we have not yet learned how to tune out the noise or insulate ourselves from the propaganda of others.

We still haven't figured this out with television...

Takeda Shingen · 01-14-11, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

We can do this for every decade, and likely people at the time thought it was the worst ever

It is really no different than that fact that every generation thinks that the generation that follows them will be the end of all civilization.

01-14-11, 04:19 PM

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It is really no different than that fact that every generation thinks that the generation that follows them will be the end of all civilization.

In this case, Obama governance, it is entirely possible.

Takeda Shingen · 01-14-11, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man

In this case, Obama governance, it is entirely possible.

Don't start.

01-14-11, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Don't start.

Following me again? I'm just trying to contribute to the conversation. I thought that was this board ws all about.

Takeda Shingen · 01-14-11, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man

Following me again? I'm just trying to contribute to the conversation. I thought that was this board ws all about.

Last chance. Stop following me.

01-14-11, 04:45 PM

mookiemookie · 01-14-11, 04:53 PM

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Classy.

01-14-11, 04:55 PM

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Classy.

I like the Trek Original as much as anyone. Not you, mookie?

gimpy117 · 01-14-11, 05:02 PM

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Military metaphors are normal in politics (and football, for that matter). Suborning a crime is different, but has a pretty high bar.

The sanctity of freedom of expression (particularly political expression) is something all patriotic Americans regardless of party agree on. (and yeah, I'd attack so-called conservatives against flag-burning for being un-American if they wish to curtain that political expression (even if I wanna punch flag-burners, personally, it's their right to do so).

I'm not soo sure. When you're holding political meetings that are to "get on target" to eliminate people from office, i think violence and politics are a bit too closely associated. We have to be careful how close we associate guns, revolution, and vigilantism with our politics. Politics is a way to solve problems WITHOUT violence, and violence is the opposite of what we strive for.

01-14-11, 05:05 PM

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I'm not soo sure. When you're holding political meetings that are to "get on target" to eliminate people from office, i think violence and politics are a bit too closely associated. We have to be careful how close we associate guns, revolution, and vigilantism with our politics. Politics is a way to solve problems WITHOUT violence, and violence is the opposite of what we strive for.

Violence in speech.....you ask?

Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
Obama to liberal supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

Takeda Shingen · 01-14-11, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

I'm not soo sure. When you're holding political meetings that are to "get on target" to eliminate people from office, i think violence and politics are a bit too closely associated. We have to be careful how close we associate guns, revolution, and vigilantism with our politics. Politics is a way to solve problems WITHOUT violence, and violence is the opposite of what we strive for.

I have to disagree. I have used the term 'get back on target' or 'getting back on target' countless times in my classroom on the elementary, high school and collegiate levels. It was, and is, a clear metaphor for getting back to focusing on the subject at hand. This is also exactly how it was used at political rallies.

01-14-11, 05:08 PM

Violence in speech.....you ask?

Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
Obama to liberal supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”

01-14-11, 03:24 PM	#61
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	remember all the Fahrenheit 911 crap? Truther nut cases (talk about "blood libel"). Go back to the Cold War. There have been no shortages of less than civil conduct. We have McCarthy's rhetoric (crappy, but in point of fact VERY popular), then the opposition to McCarthy acting as if they had the high ground, even though they were in fact wrong (the were in fact Soviet agents all through the US government). They were also wrong in minimizing Communism (it was, after all, responsible for more murders than Nazism (even counting all the war dead from WW2 in the Nazi column). The famous "Have you no sense of decency, sir?" speech is always edited down to remove the fact that the same guy was talking about the risk of homosexuals in the military (and they intimated outside the hearings that Roy Cohn was gay). So the 50s were pretty uncivil. The 60s were filled with flag burning, actual violence and vandalism of a political nature. The 40s... also uncivil. We can do this for every decade, and likely people at the time thought it was the worst ever

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The Third Man Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Violence in speech.....you ask? Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun” Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!” Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard” Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“ Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat” Obama to liberal supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.” Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.” Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”