PERFECT SIM! What can we make out of SH5/SH3?

Jimbuna · 12-27-10, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitman

Actually your questions had already a very solid response to our avail: The one which will probably rank first as most underrated submarine simulation in history ... Silent Hunter 4

It is the perfect balance between the SH5 eyecandy and the SH3 gameplay, and has potential to surpass them both in their respective strong areas if developed hard enough. But there it is, collecting dust in many people's shelf, and far away from the attention of most of the talented modders. If it had received half the dedication and talent that SH5 already has, we would no doubt have the best ever submarine simulations. Sadly it didn't

, and probably the end of the GWX4 project meant the definitive burying of the promise SH4 had. With a GWX4 we would have seen many other mods flourish around that solid base, and many more people attracted into the game.

The irony is that SH5 not just killed itself, it also killed UBI's submarine gaming franchise and even also killed the amazing potential of his predecessor and our main hope of getting a fantastic and solid submarine simulator. That's for me reason enough to hate SH5 and lack any interest on it

Pretty much agree with what Hitman has posted and refuse to take issue with another individuals totally negative and IMHO 'biaised' comments.

One of the reasons GWX4 was cancelled and I repeat ONE was out of respect for Ubisoft and the developers of the forthcoming release of SH5.

Add to that the fact that some key members of the Grey Wolves were quite frankly knackered/worn out and in at least one instance paid a very personal price for their efforts, not to mention the constance war of words between different factions within the community.

Consider the above and let me quote a poignant statement from a team member shortly before the decision to pull the plug on GWX4 was taken....."Why are we busting a gut trying to teach a pig to sing when we already know in advance there is a newer SH release due"?

What we didn't know 'officially' at the time was the fact said release would be limited in time span and U-boat types.

I know Steve has already accurately stated publicly on this forum that some of the Grey Wolves have left, never to return, some remain and are working on one or two projects either singlehandedly or collectively and The Lair is not as busy as it has been in the past (he should know, he has unrestricted access) LOL.

Right now it is good too see fresh talent taking up the modding course and serving the community to the best of their abilities and long may it continue.

On a personal note I am simply awaiting the release of this and that....it is nice being the customer in the sweet shop for a change.

SINK EM ALL!!

12-27-10, 05:02 PM

There are ongoing projects by many to rape.........
I mean 'borrow' from SH5 for both SH3 and SH4.
Not that I have anything to do with that.

And one day, things will be placed in SH5 PROPERLY, from SH3 and SH4 also.

The old slugfests between SH3 - SH4 seem to be a thing of the past.
Lets not start a Ménage à trois between SH3/SH4/SH5!

FIREWALL · 12-27-10, 05:37 PM

I enjoy all 3 Silent Hunters. Each one has it's own flavor depending how it's modded.

I'm just thankfull for all the talented people at SubSim and their wonderful gifts.

With Multi-Install I have all versions to enjoy.

I only have one big problem.

I can only play them one at a time.

12-27-10, 05:45 PM

Get 2 more systems, a divorce, and your good to go!

Tigershark624 · 12-27-10, 06:06 PM

Is there any chance, however slim, that GWX4 could be revived with a fresh team of eager young modders guided by the wizened involvement of as many of the old team that would be interested and able? If enough people got behind this I'm sure that the project could progress without burn-out. How close was it to being finished when it was abandoned?

12-27-10, 06:50 PM

Not close enuff.

And I've no idea how much of major parts may have been saved.
The Campaign work for one.
The 3D work on Harbors and Regalbau.
The new 3D modeled Subs and Ships and other Objects.
Your talking about a mass of work by many different Dev's,
all working thier specialty,
that was never complied into a collective group for safe keeping
to my knowledge.

I have bits and pieces, mere crumbs of what it was.
Prototype Tools that require the final files to be further edited.

But the Holy Grail is not real anymore.
Like the Knights Templer?
It will probably turn into a Myth.

GWX 4, for all that it was planned to be,
all the work in many radical areas,
(Which are being worked on daily now)
all the drive and real sacrifices each Member of
The Grey Wolves
made to try to further push a bar?

It's gone.
GWX 4 is a fantasy now.
I doubt any group could put together the right people,
in so many areas of knowledge,
keep them working nearly 40 hours a week,
place dead lines on them,
and they meet them.
And all for the weekly pay check of
ZILCH! ZIP! NAGDT!

So let GWX 4 remain where it is.
It's not the thing anyone should be worshipping or missing.
It should inspire the New modders if anything.
Just as the original GW inspired me,
Rumors of GWX 4 should inspire others.

Just my thoughts.
With Regards,
Privateer

Tigershark624 · 12-27-10, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

Not close enuff.

And I've no idea how much of major parts may have been saved.
The Campaign work for one.
The 3D work on Harbors and Regalbau.
The new 3D modeled Subs and Ships and other Objects.
Your talking about a mass of work by many different Dev's,
all working thier specialty,
that was never complied into a collective group for safe keeping
to my knowledge.

I have bits and pieces, mere crumbs of what it was.
Prototype Tools that require the final files to be further edited.

But the Holy Grail is not real anymore.
Like the Knights Templer?
It will probably turn into a Myth.

GWX 4, for all that it was planned to be,
all the work in many radical areas,
(Which are being worked on daily now)
all the drive and real sacrifices each Member of
The Grey Wolves
made to try to further push a bar?

It's gone.
GWX 4 is a fantasy now.
I doubt any group could put together the right people,
in so many areas of knowledge,
keep them working nearly 40 hours a week,
place dead lines on them,
and they meet them.
And all for the weekly pay check of
ZILCH! ZIP! NAGDT!

So let GWX 4 remain where it is.
It's not the thing anyone should be worshipping or missing.
It should inspire the New modders if anything.
Just as the original GW inspired me,
Rumors of GWX 4 should inspire others.

Just my thoughts.
With Regards,
Privateer

For all you've done for the community, your word is sufficient. Let it rest in peace. Thanks.

Sailor Steve · 12-28-10, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigershark624

Is there any chance, however slim, that GWX4 could be revived with a fresh team of eager young modders guided by the wizened involvement of as many of the old team that would be interested and able? If enough people got behind this I'm sure that the project could progress without burn-out. How close was it to being finished when it was abandoned?

It would be possible for the people who created a lot of the best mods for SH3 to translate them to SH4.

Though as much as I wish for something like that, I don't see it ever happening.

dcb · 12-28-10, 01:38 AM

To me, SH5 has the one single thing SH3&4 didn't have: a competent Uboat AI, hence the possibility of wolfpacks that behave like they should (sort of). After bugging and pestering the devs with it last year, after almost forcing them to spend a couple of months to hastily write the code, at a time when this whole feature had been dropped, I think we should give SH5 the chance to become the great sub sim it should have been in the first place. If not for something else, at least for the wolfpacks.

Gerald · 12-27-10, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

I enjoy all 3 Silent Hunters. Each one has it's own flavor depending how it's modded.

I'm just thankfull for all the talented people at SubSim and their wonderful gifts.

With Multi-Install I have all versions to enjoy.

I only have one big problem.

I can only play them one at a time.

You'll learn your wife any of the games, and the rest you can teach your nearest neighbor,

Jimbuna · 12-27-10, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendor

You'll learn your wife any of the games, and the rest you can teach your nearest neighbor,

Gerald · 12-27-10, 11:15 PM

Nothing to concern itself only one element of fatigue

12-27-10, 05:37 PM	#3
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I enjoy all 3 Silent Hunters. Each one has it's own flavor depending how it's modded. I'm just thankfull for all the talented people at SubSim and their wonderful gifts. With Multi-Install I have all versions to enjoy. I only have one big problem. I can only play them one at a time. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

12-27-10, 11:15 PM	#12
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Nothing to concern itself only one element of fatigue __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

12-27-10, 05:02 PM	#2
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	There are ongoing projects by many to rape......... I mean 'borrow' from SH5 for both SH3 and SH4. Not that I have anything to do with that. And one day, things will be placed in SH5 PROPERLY, from SH3 and SH4 also. The old slugfests between SH3 - SH4 seem to be a thing of the past. Lets not start a Ménage à trois between SH3/SH4/SH5!

12-27-10, 05:45 PM	#4
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Get 2 more systems, a divorce, and your good to go!

12-27-10, 06:06 PM	#5
Tigershark624 A-ganger Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 76 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	Is there any chance, however slim, that GWX4 could be revived with a fresh team of eager young modders guided by the wizened involvement of as many of the old team that would be interested and able? If enough people got behind this I'm sure that the project could progress without burn-out. How close was it to being finished when it was abandoned?

12-27-10, 06:50 PM	#6
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Not close enuff. And I've no idea how much of major parts may have been saved. The Campaign work for one. The 3D work on Harbors and Regalbau. The new 3D modeled Subs and Ships and other Objects. Your talking about a mass of work by many different Dev's, all working thier specialty, that was never complied into a collective group for safe keeping to my knowledge. I have bits and pieces, mere crumbs of what it was. Prototype Tools that require the final files to be further edited. But the Holy Grail is not real anymore. Like the Knights Templer? It will probably turn into a Myth. GWX 4, for all that it was planned to be, all the work in many radical areas, (Which are being worked on daily now) all the drive and real sacrifices each Member of The Grey Wolves made to try to further push a bar? It's gone. GWX 4 is a fantasy now. I doubt any group could put together the right people, in so many areas of knowledge, keep them working nearly 40 hours a week, place dead lines on them, and they meet them. And all for the weekly pay check of ZILCH! ZIP! NAGDT! So let GWX 4 remain where it is. It's not the thing anyone should be worshipping or missing. It should inspire the New modders if anything. Just as the original GW inspired me, Rumors of GWX 4 should inspire others. Just my thoughts. With Regards, Privateer

12-28-10, 01:38 AM	#9
dcb Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 845 Downloads: 544 Uploads: 0	To me, SH5 has the one single thing SH3&4 didn't have: a competent Uboat AI, hence the possibility of wolfpacks that behave like they should (sort of). After bugging and pestering the devs with it last year, after almost forcing them to spend a couple of months to hastily write the code, at a time when this whole feature had been dropped, I think we should give SH5 the chance to become the great sub sim it should have been in the first place. If not for something else, at least for the wolfpacks.