You want fries with that.

SteamWake · 12-10-10, 02:31 PM

I hope this 'young man' does hard time !

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Originally Posted by Fox News

DETROIT -- A 20-year-old Burger King employee who was arguing with a customer in a crowded fast food restaurant punched the 67-year-old man, who fell and later died, police said Friday.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/10...est=latestnews

12-10-10, 02:42 PM

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I hope this 'young man' does hard time !

Will he get any time at all, after all the article says he was being attacked and just hit back.
Surely you should be in favour of the young man as people have a right to defend themselves and are clamouring for laws which mean they never have to retreat from any threats.

Growler · 12-10-10, 02:49 PM

The lack of information makes it tough, but even so, about the only charge I could even imagine would be Invol. Manslaughter - but since none of the circumstances surrounding the situation are clear, even that is pure speculation.

Sad, no matter what the causes/reason.

GoldenRivet · 12-10-10, 02:53 PM

the most the young man is probably looking at is involuntary manslaughter as i think any prosecutor would have a hard time convincing a jury that the fast food worker had "intent" to kill the patron, or that he could have known that simply punching the man in the face could be reasonably expected to result in death.

the sentencing varies in manslaughter cases depending on the details of the case, but i should expect the young man to probably receive a 10 year sentence.

EDIT: found it. it is indicated that the old man tried to hit the worker.

Interesting... if his attorney could justify self defense with the argument being that there is no way the young man could have known the old man would die as a result of that defense then the kid might get away with this

12-10-10, 02:55 PM

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Sad, no matter what the causes/reason.

True, but if there wasn't violence and a fatality involved it would make a funny headline ......."irate customer swallows teeth at burger joint"

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I dont see this indicated anywhere in the text.

Interesting.

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unless the argument escalates to the other person attempting to physically harm you first. Which in this case, based on the story i read the elderly man did not attempt to do.

OK GR.....

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and tried to hit the worker, who swung back.

So does that mean you didn't read the text or cannot read the text as that covers your "unless" to the letter?

Growler · 12-10-10, 02:55 PM

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Police said the customer was reportedly causing a disturbance Thursday afternoon at the restaurant on the city's east side and tried to hit the worker, who swung back.

Third Sentence, GR.

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True, but if there wasn't violence and a fatality involved it would make a funny headline ......."irate customer swallows teeth at burger joint"

Can't argue that!

GoldenRivet · 12-10-10, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

Third Sentence, GR.

See edit above

i likely skimmed down to the meat of the story and missed it

Growler · 12-10-10, 02:58 PM

Roger that.

SteamWake · 12-10-10, 02:58 PM

I dont care who sarted the fight he was 67 and the worker was 20.

Sometimes you just have to stay your hand.

Growler · 12-10-10, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

I dont care who sarted the fight he was 67 and the worker was 20.

Sometimes you just have to stay your hand.

Well, on the first part of your statement - meh.

But I agree with the second part - staying one's hand. Knowledge is knowing how to fight. Wisdom is knowing when.

GoldenRivet · 12-10-10, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

I dont care who sarted the fight he was 67 and the worker was 20.

Sometimes you just have to stay your hand.

while true... i can count several 67 year old men who could likely kick my ass all day long.

When i was 24 i made the mistake of betting a 65 year old friend of mine that he couldnt kick my ass, as he would tire out.

within 3 seconds of ending that sentence i was face down on the floor totally immobilized.

that was the day he told me about his hand to hand combat instructor days in the USMC

never make the mistake of counting any old dog out of a fight - ever

Growler · 12-10-10, 03:02 PM

LOL, GR - see my above comment about Knowledge v. Wisdom!

12-10-10, 03:03 PM

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Sometimes you just have to stay your hand

Counts for both parties.

GoldenRivet · 12-10-10, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

LOL, GR - see my above comment about Knowledge v. Wisdom!

that day, i gained a lot of both!

within a matter of about 3 seconds he had me prone, with my legs crossed behind me, and one arm bent behind my back. While i was laying in this uncomfortable position he was kneeling on my crossed legs in such a way that i couldnt move without the sensation of breaking my legs or shoulder.

his effort during this was minimal.

he said "Now... all i have to do is sit here. I can sit here and wait until the cops arrive or if this were a combat situation i could pull my side arm and shoot you in the back of the head" (while poking his finger on the back of my head.)

i have no idea what that move is called, and it happened so quickly that i have no idea how he actually maneuvered me into such an undesirable position.

I'm glad it was a friendly bet

Growler · 12-10-10, 03:18 PM

Still buying his beer, aren't you?

12-10-10, 02:49 PM	#3
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	The lack of information makes it tough, but even so, about the only charge I could even imagine would be Invol. Manslaughter - but since none of the circumstances surrounding the situation are clear, even that is pure speculation. Sad, no matter what the causes/reason. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

12-10-10, 02:53 PM	#4
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	the most the young man is probably looking at is involuntary manslaughter as i think any prosecutor would have a hard time convincing a jury that the fast food worker had "intent" to kill the patron, or that he could have known that simply punching the man in the face could be reasonably expected to result in death. the sentencing varies in manslaughter cases depending on the details of the case, but i should expect the young man to probably receive a 10 year sentence. EDIT: found it. it is indicated that the old man tried to hit the worker. Interesting... if his attorney could justify self defense with the argument being that there is no way the young man could have known the old man would die as a result of that defense then the kid might get away with this __________________

12-10-10, 02:58 PM	#8
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Roger that. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

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SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I dont care who sarted the fight he was 67 and the worker was 20. Sometimes you just have to stay your hand. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

12-10-10, 03:02 PM	#12
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	LOL, GR - see my above comment about Knowledge v. Wisdom! __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

12-10-10, 03:18 PM	#15
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Still buying his beer, aren't you? __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.