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SteamWake 12-10-10 02:31 PM

You want fries with that.
 
I hope this 'young man' does hard time ! :nope:

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Originally Posted by Fox News

DETROIT -- A 20-year-old Burger King employee who was arguing with a customer in a crowded fast food restaurant punched the 67-year-old man, who fell and later died, police said Friday.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/12/10...est=latestnews

Tribesman 12-10-10 02:42 PM

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I hope this 'young man' does hard time !
Will he get any time at all, after all the article says he was being attacked and just hit back.
Surely you should be in favour of the young man as people have a right to defend themselves and are clamouring for laws which mean they never have to retreat from any threats.

Growler 12-10-10 02:49 PM

The lack of information makes it tough, but even so, about the only charge I could even imagine would be Invol. Manslaughter - but since none of the circumstances surrounding the situation are clear, even that is pure speculation.

Sad, no matter what the causes/reason.

GoldenRivet 12-10-10 02:53 PM

the most the young man is probably looking at is involuntary manslaughter as i think any prosecutor would have a hard time convincing a jury that the fast food worker had "intent" to kill the patron, or that he could have known that simply punching the man in the face could be reasonably expected to result in death.

the sentencing varies in manslaughter cases depending on the details of the case, but i should expect the young man to probably receive a 10 year sentence.

EDIT: found it. it is indicated that the old man tried to hit the worker.

Interesting... if his attorney could justify self defense with the argument being that there is no way the young man could have known the old man would die as a result of that defense then the kid might get away with this

Tribesman 12-10-10 02:55 PM

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Sad, no matter what the causes/reason.
True, but if there wasn't violence and a fatality involved it would make a funny headline ......."irate customer swallows teeth at burger joint"

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I dont see this indicated anywhere in the text.

Interesting.
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unless the argument escalates to the other person attempting to physically harm you first. Which in this case, based on the story i read the elderly man did not attempt to do.


OK GR.....
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and tried to hit the worker, who swung back.
So does that mean you didn't read the text or cannot read the text as that covers your "unless" to the letter?

Growler 12-10-10 02:55 PM

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Police said the customer was reportedly causing a disturbance Thursday afternoon at the restaurant on the city's east side and tried to hit the worker, who swung back.

Third Sentence, GR.

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True, but if there wasn't violence and a fatality involved it would make a funny headline ......."irate customer swallows teeth at burger joint"
Can't argue that!

GoldenRivet 12-10-10 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler (Post 1551343)
Third Sentence, GR.

See edit above


i likely skimmed down to the meat of the story and missed it :doh:

Growler 12-10-10 02:58 PM

Roger that.

SteamWake 12-10-10 02:58 PM

I dont care who sarted the fight he was 67 and the worker was 20.

Sometimes you just have to stay your hand.

Growler 12-10-10 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1551347)
I dont care who sarted the fight he was 67 and the worker was 20.

Sometimes you just have to stay your hand.

Well, on the first part of your statement - meh.

But I agree with the second part - staying one's hand. Knowledge is knowing how to fight. Wisdom is knowing when.

GoldenRivet 12-10-10 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1551347)
I dont care who sarted the fight he was 67 and the worker was 20.

Sometimes you just have to stay your hand.

while true... i can count several 67 year old men who could likely kick my ass all day long.

When i was 24 i made the mistake of betting a 65 year old friend of mine that he couldnt kick my ass, as he would tire out.

within 3 seconds of ending that sentence i was face down on the floor totally immobilized.

that was the day he told me about his hand to hand combat instructor days in the USMC





never make the mistake of counting any old dog out of a fight - ever

Growler 12-10-10 03:02 PM

LOL, GR - see my above comment about Knowledge v. Wisdom! :03:

Tribesman 12-10-10 03:03 PM

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Sometimes you just have to stay your hand
Counts for both parties.

GoldenRivet 12-10-10 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler (Post 1551354)
LOL, GR - see my above comment about Knowledge v. Wisdom! :03:

that day, i gained a lot of both!:o

within a matter of about 3 seconds he had me prone, with my legs crossed behind me, and one arm bent behind my back. While i was laying in this uncomfortable position he was kneeling on my crossed legs in such a way that i couldnt move without the sensation of breaking my legs or shoulder.

his effort during this was minimal.

he said "Now... all i have to do is sit here. I can sit here and wait until the cops arrive or if this were a combat situation i could pull my side arm and shoot you in the back of the head" (while poking his finger on the back of my head.)

i have no idea what that move is called, and it happened so quickly that i have no idea how he actually maneuvered me into such an undesirable position.

I'm glad it was a friendly bet

Growler 12-10-10 03:18 PM

Still buying his beer, aren't you? :haha:


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