[REL] Environmental MOD for Silent Hunter 5 - Page 82

PL_Andrev · 12-09-10, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsvette12

New underwater can someone post a screenshot of that please, thank you Guys.

Rich

Do you want to see 'black' or 'almost black' ?
Load it and test...

Yosarian · 12-09-10, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antar

I tried to build my world map as on your 'vegetation' screen... but I use W_clear's map colors (8 colors).
Why on your screen are 10 colors? When W_clear uses only 8?

It is not my climatezones.tga (I don't use this Env_mod here), it's just one example other SH modders have created a zones file which comes closer to the real natural distribution of the cliamte zones than the one from this mod.

Most players always call for realism but with this mod it seems to bother anyone that it is unrealistic in this respect.

But it is W_Clear's decision which type of climate zones he uses in his mod, it should be only a suggestion.

PL_Andrev · 12-09-10, 03:34 PM

I want to prepare the environment world map based on 'vegetation' map but is a mistake on this map?
No artcic zone at south hemisphere?

ACSoft · 12-10-10, 04:12 AM

Since middle of October, I try to convince W_clear to work with a corrected version (no illegal colors) of the following ClimateZones.tga, made by French guy "Astradeus" FOR HIM (see: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170162)

I try even to convince him to adopt other improvements Astradeus made, like the addition of a suplementary color palette "Temperate_A". I sent to him a sub-mod I builded from Astradeus work and my own work. I offered to help him doing that, but W_clear DON'T WANT TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION and answered "NO" to me. The same happen apparently already much sooner, with the French Guy "Astradeus".

This is why, since this time, I continue to develop my own Private version of a sub-mod "ClimateZones ACS" which can be applied over W_clear mod. It has a suplementary "Temperate_A" color palette, which is unfortunately for now, just a copy of W_clear "Temperate" palette.

By respect for W_clear, I will make this sub-mod public ONLY IF W_clear GIVE ME HERE THE AUTHORIZATION.

But it would be much better that you guys, try to convince W_clear to take the gift "Astradeus" & "ACSoft" have offered to him.

ACS

EDIT: look what was saying Astradeus to W_clear:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...1&postcount=12

Zedi · 12-10-10, 04:53 AM

How can we convince a chinese guy about anything without knowing his language? Using the translator will complicate things more.

So .. go for it and make your work public. If you will give them full credit for their work, I see no problem at all. The only problem would be to update your stuff every time they change something..

ustahl · 12-10-10, 05:14 AM

Yes, make it public and give W_clear all the credit, honour and thanks that he deserves.

We shall then try to convince him to test it himself and give feedback what he thinks of it. I'll try to put that in very simple English (without French influence

), so that even the "translating machine" can make Chinese sense of it.

If he still gets annoyed, we must think of a different approach.

PL_Andrev · 12-10-10, 05:46 AM

What is a problem to use both mods as:
1. W_clear's Environmental mod
2. Corrected climate zones

If W_clear does not want to work with better climate zones it is his choice.
His mod is too much perfect to keep problem with climate zones.

BigBANGtheory · 12-10-10, 06:05 AM

If it gets included in the MegaMod, then that kind of works too, though ACSoft does make a good point.

W_clear · 12-10-10, 07:23 AM

Warning:
If you use this ClimateZones.tga,. You will not see the different waters.you use my MOD does not make sense。

Making this ClimateZones.tga,. I think you did not think。Players can travel several waters each patrol? Too funny。

ACSoft · 12-10-10, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W_clear

Warning:
If you use this ClimateZones.tga,. You will not see the different waters.you use my MOD does not make sense。

Making this ClimateZones.tga,. I think you did not think。Players can travel several waters each patrol? Too funny。

As far as I understand well, what is trying to say W_clear here, is that to just replace his ClimateZones.tga, by the one made originally by "Astradeus" will not work properly.

AND THIS IS CORRECT

You need to use a different "ClimateZones.cfg" and even maybe different "Weather_XXX.cfg" files, to fully take advantage of this better map and re-distribute in the correct way, ALL W_clear colors palettes, to the correct places, all over the world.

THIS IS WHAT IS DOING MY CLIMATEZONES SUB-MOD

ACS

Zedi · 12-10-10, 08:41 AM

ACSoft, let me put it in this way: Imagine that subsim.com is a chinese forum and you try to submit ur work and communicate with the people there through google translate. It would require a lot of patience, trust me. I once tried to see a chinese forum with that tool and I mega failed to understand the topics there.

So do what you wanna do and release it as a separate mod. Maybe then W_Clear will understand the meaning of your words and will integrate it in his mod. My 2 cents.

ustahl · 12-10-10, 08:51 AM

@W_clear,

Hello friend! I suggest that you try and test the Climatezones sub-mod of ACSoft.

Forget the old ClimateZones.tga of "Astradeus". That is different and old now.

When you test ACSoft's Climatezones sub-mod, you will see that there are no problems.

I am sure ACSoft will give you the link to his sub-mod. Please try to co-operate. Please try to work together.

We all try to be positive and constructive.

ACSoft · 12-10-10, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W_clear

Players can travel several waters each patrol? Too funny。

Are-you saying what you said to me to refuse ?

That the player cannot travel several waters in each patrol ?

This is almost what I understood. If it is really what you was trying to say, I don't understand why such an argument would justify to neglect the Climate Zones distribution, ?!?

Look at this picture:

This is a REAL patrol I have done, where I was sunk in the middle of the British channel on my way home.

000 = EnvColors_Polar.cfg
020 = EnvColors_Polar_A.cfg
040 = EnvColors_Temperate.cfg
060 = EnvColors_Temperate_A.cfg
080 = EnvColors_Tropical_A.cfg
100 = EnvColors_Tropical.cfg

Just with this very plausible patrol, we navigate into 4 of your "waters" (5 with the map design, but color 060 (060=Temperate_A is, for now, equal to 040, your Temperate color).

It is not difficult to imagine another patrol going more South and entering in your last color palette 100 = "Tropical".

ACS

ACSoft · 12-10-10, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnum

ACSoft, let me put it in this way: Imagine that subsim.com is a chinese forum and you try to submit ur work and communicate with the people there through google translate. It would require a lot of patience, trust me. I once tried to see a chinese forum with that tool and I mega failed to understand the topics there.

In the very beginning, I first didn't realized that W_clear was Chinese and had a big barrier language problem.

But since I have realized that, because some of you tell it to me, trust me, I tried all my best to communicate, even using pictogram.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnum

So do what you wanna do and release it as a separate mod. Maybe then W_Clear will understand the meaning of your words and will integrate it in his mod. My 2 cents.

No sorry, I won't do that, EXCEPT IF W_CLEAR GIVE ME THE AUTHORIZATION TO DO IT. The reason is, W_clear HAD MY MOD ALREADY. So he was already able to study it and finally, REFUSED TO ADOPT IT AND TO COLLABORATE WITH ME on furthers ehancement (building a new Temperate_A). Therefore, I am not going now to FORCE him in any direction. It is HIS mod, and he do what he want with it, I have no other way than to fully respect that.

Again, it is your turn to convince him. My offer still stand.

ACS

7thSeal · 12-10-10, 12:54 PM

I'm guessing that the problem is that one of the biggest problems with his mod was with the climate zones and now its working without crashing. Crashing is probably his biggest concern and he's being asked to change something that's working even though not 100% accurate. He's looking toward the mega mod which includes his and wants it running smoothly. Just my guess though.

12-09-10, 03:34 PM	#1218
PL_Andrev Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 995 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	I want to prepare the environment world map based on 'vegetation' map but is a mistake on this map? No artcic zone at south hemisphere? __________________

12-10-10, 05:14 AM	#1221
ustahl Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oulu, Finland Posts: 339 Downloads: 156 Uploads: 0	Yes, make it public and give W_clear all the credit, honour and thanks that he deserves. We shall then try to convince him to test it himself and give feedback what he thinks of it. I'll try to put that in very simple English (without French influence), so that even the "translating machine" can make Chinese sense of it. If he still gets annoyed, we must think of a different approach. __________________ Cheers Uffe

12-10-10, 05:46 AM	#1222
PL_Andrev Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 995 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	What is a problem to use both mods as: 1. W_clear's Environmental mod 2. Corrected climate zones If W_clear does not want to work with better climate zones it is his choice. His mod is too much perfect to keep problem with climate zones. __________________

12-10-10, 08:51 AM	#1227
ustahl Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oulu, Finland Posts: 339 Downloads: 156 Uploads: 0	@W_clear, Hello friend! I suggest that you try and test the Climatezones sub-mod of ACSoft. Forget the old ClimateZones.tga of "Astradeus". That is different and old now. When you test ACSoft's Climatezones sub-mod, you will see that there are no problems. I am sure ACSoft will give you the link to his sub-mod. Please try to co-operate. Please try to work together. We all try to be positive and constructive. __________________ Cheers Uffe

12-10-10, 04:12 AM	#1219
ACSoft Soundman Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Switzerland Posts: 149 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	Since middle of October, I try to convince W_clear to work with a corrected version (no illegal colors) of the following ClimateZones.tga, made by French guy "Astradeus" FOR HIM (see: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170162) I try even to convince him to adopt other improvements Astradeus made, like the addition of a suplementary color palette "Temperate_A". I sent to him a sub-mod I builded from Astradeus work and my own work. I offered to help him doing that, but W_clear DON'T WANT TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION and answered "NO" to me. The same happen apparently already much sooner, with the French Guy "Astradeus". This is why, since this time, I continue to develop my own Private version of a sub-mod "ClimateZones ACS" which can be applied over W_clear mod. It has a suplementary "Temperate_A" color palette, which is unfortunately for now, just a copy of W_clear "Temperate" palette. By respect for W_clear, I will make this sub-mod public ONLY IF W_clear GIVE ME HERE THE AUTHORIZATION. But it would be much better that you guys, try to convince W_clear to take the gift "Astradeus" & "ACSoft" have offered to him. ACS EDIT: look what was saying Astradeus to W_clear: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...1&postcount=12

12-10-10, 04:53 AM	#1220
Zedi Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,845 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 2	How can we convince a chinese guy about anything without knowing his language? Using the translator will complicate things more. So .. go for it and make your work public. If you will give them full credit for their work, I see no problem at all. The only problem would be to update your stuff every time they change something..

12-10-10, 06:05 AM	#1223
BigBANGtheory Officer Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: British Waters Posts: 243 Downloads: 98 Uploads: 0	If it gets included in the MegaMod, then that kind of works too, though ACSoft does make a good point.

12-10-10, 07:23 AM	#1224
W_clear Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,142 Downloads: 111 Uploads: 0	Warning: If you use this ClimateZones.tga,. You will not see the different waters.you use my MOD does not make sense。 Making this ClimateZones.tga,. I think you did not think。Players can travel several waters each patrol? Too funny。

12-10-10, 08:41 AM	#1226
Zedi Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,845 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 2	ACSoft, let me put it in this way: Imagine that subsim.com is a chinese forum and you try to submit ur work and communicate with the people there through google translate. It would require a lot of patience, trust me. I once tried to see a chinese forum with that tool and I mega failed to understand the topics there. So do what you wanna do and release it as a separate mod. Maybe then W_Clear will understand the meaning of your words and will integrate it in his mod. My 2 cents.

12-10-10, 12:54 PM	#1230
7thSeal Samurai Navy Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 592 Downloads: 199 Uploads: 0	I'm guessing that the problem is that one of the biggest problems with his mod was with the climate zones and now its working without crashing. Crashing is probably his biggest concern and he's being asked to change something that's working even though not 100% accurate. He's looking toward the mega mod which includes his and wants it running smoothly. Just my guess though.