Urban survival: How to defend against psychopaths

[Castout]

This is so very true and handy. Should be thought even at schools. I'm a victim of one so I know the description all too well, I swear

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfo...hree_lifestyle

[TLAM Strike]

I have my own way of protecting against psychopaths, I encourage everyone here to use it as well...

Step 1: Realize that anyone you encounter in your daily life maybe a psychopath and can or will do you harm... this could be a neighbor, a friend, co-worker, family member, person on TV, or a complete stranger.

Step 2: Kill them immediately.

Step 3: To prevent other psychopaths from knowing you are on to them; hide the body. Your basement, garage or the woods are good locations. Cut up the body to make it harder to find or to hide it in different locations. The fool proof way to hide a body is to eat it and grind up the bones in to dust.

Step 4: Repeat until you encounter no further psychopaths.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

I have my own way of protecting against psychopaths, I encourage everyone here to use it as well...

Step 1: Realize that anyone you encounter in your daily life maybe a psychopath and can or will do you harm... this could be a neighbor, a friend, co-worker, family member, person on TV, or a complete stranger.

Step 2: Kill them immediately.

Step 3: To prevent other psychopaths from knowing you are on to them; hide the body. Your basement, garage or the woods are good locations. Cut up the body to make it harder to find or to hide it in different locations. The fool proof way to hide a body is to eat it and grind up the bones in to dust.

Step 4: Repeat until you encounter no further psychopaths.

1. So how would you get laid
2. Wouldn't that make you one?
3. Too much work
4. Repeat 1-3



Also forget about the video as it is poorly made and only listen to the narration(voice)

[Castout]

Your Stress Sources

"Not a team player and is unwilling to be involved in most activities. In the past he was over involved and now emotionally drained. Due to his fear of over involvement, he now chooses to remain uninvolved with the activities around him. "

One thing we do know is this: many people who experience interactions with psychopaths and narcissists report feeling "drained" and confused and often subsequently experience deteriorating health.

Many of them can be found in white collar professions where they are aided in their evil by the fact that most people expect certain classes of people to be trustworthy because of their social or professional credentials. Lawyers, doctors, teachers, politicians, psychiatrists and psychologists, generally do not have to earn our trust because they have it by virtue of their positions. But the fact is: psychopaths are found in such lofty spheres also!

More can be found here
http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm

[NeonSamurai]

A lot I didn't quite agree with in that video. Also psychopaths are very hard to spot (at least the smart socialized variant are).

Anyhow here is something you may find interesting. The PCL-R

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist


The basic checkist is below and score given as 0,1,2 per item, and if memory serves you need roughly a 24 or better. Keep in mind though this was designed for detecting non socialized (criminalistic) psychopaths, the only population available for study.

1 Glibness/superficial charm
2 Grandiose sense of self-worth
3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
4 Pathological lying
5 Cunning/manipulative
6 Lack of remorse or guilt
7 Shallow affect [i.e. superficial experience and expression of emotions]
8 Callous/lack of empathy
9 Parasitic lifestyle
10 Poor behavioural controls
11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour
12 Early behaviour problems
13 Lack of realistic long-term goals
14 Impulsivity
15 Irresponsibility
16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
17 Many short term marital relationships
18 Juvenile delinquency
19 Revocation of conditional release
20 Criminal versatility

[Castout]

I agree with almost everything that the video mentioned. Forget the video and just listen to the narration.

yes it may be very very hard to spot a psychopath but in the video it's mentioned that sooner or later they will reveal themselves thus one of the tactic is to wait them out.

It's also mentioned that there's only two ways to deal with psychopath in one's life that is to evade them entirely but most often than not the time when he or she is recognized as psychopath, the damage is already done and more often than not since a psychopath takes pleasure at causing people suffering and pain he or she will continue his psychopathic actions.

This leaves only the second way to deal with the psychopath, that is to attack him relentlessly. I made a mistake of giving a psychopath quarter and being mostly passive much to the deterioration of my health, well being and life.

Giving the other cheek doesn't work for psychopath what they need is strong action. They respect power thus fighting without giving quarter is what needs to be done.

The video also mentioned however to give a psychopath a way out to avoid him causing unnecessary damage when he's or she is left without a way out.

I'd say to bury the psychopath in the ground come what may. A psychopath is a very dangerous person indeed, a man which could literally make insane the sane good people over time. An active effort must be made to avoid becoming like a psychopath in effect after being a victim of one. They are most dangerous when they are people of power and wealth. But what made them what they are are also their weaknesses. Once understood they become easily predictable even to the point of dictating his every move by exploiting his thinking pattern taking away his initiatives and toying with him or her(yes I sound like one don't I that's what you get when you personally involved with one over almost a decade). A psychopath is very predictable because in essence he or she is not a sophisticated person to the point of being primal. A psychopath keyword is desire and not rational thinking thus always judge a psychopath behavior from the point of view of what he or she actually wants instead of needs.

Once revealed a psychopath lost much of his striking power. But the revelation often came too late or too surprising that much damage is already being done.

I'd recommend for schools to teach about psychopath to help people recognize this disability in man and help those children deal with any future psychopath that may cross their life in the future.

[Sailor Steve]

@ NeonSamurai: Interesting list. I was not surprised to find how many of those apply to me, but pleasantly surprised to see how many did not. I feel better now.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

I have my own way of protecting against psychopaths, I encourage everyone here to use it as well...

Step 1: Realize that anyone you encounter in your daily life maybe a psychopath and can or will do you harm... this could be a neighbor, a friend, co-worker, family member, person on TV, or a complete stranger.

Step 2: Kill them immediately.

Step 3: To prevent other psychopaths from knowing you are on to them; hide the body. Your basement, garage or the woods are good locations. Cut up the body to make it harder to find or to hide it in different locations. The fool proof way to hide a body is to eat it and grind up the bones in to dust.

Step 4: Repeat until you encounter no further psychopaths.

Originally Posted by Castout

1. So how would you get laid

Between steps 2 and 3.

Originally Posted by Castout

2. Wouldn't that make you one?

Only if you get caught.

Originally Posted by Castout

3. Too much work

You have to do it, so you don't get caught, and become one. Then you don't get laid!

Originally Posted by Castout

4. Repeat 1-3

Ad infinitum

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Between steps 2 and 3.

Not unexpected for the Subsim Army of Zombies, though

[danlisa]

Holy crap Neon, your post describes 75% of the GT Subsim community.

*backs away slowly*

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

1 Glibness/superficial charm - CHECK
2 Grandiose sense of self-worth - CHECK
3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - CHECK
4 Pathological lying - ON OCCASION
5 Cunning/manipulative - CHECK
6 Lack of remorse or guilt - CHECK
7 Shallow affect [i.e. superficial experience and expression of emotions] - CHECK
8 Callous/lack of empathy - CHECK
9 Parasitic lifestyle - NOPE
10 Poor behavioural controls - CHECK
11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour - USED TO
12 Early behaviour problems - CAN'T REMEMBER BUT I'M SURE THERE'S EVIDENCE SOMEWHERE
13 Lack of realistic long-term goals - CHECK
14 Impulsivity - CHECK
15 Irresponsibility - CHECK
16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - CHECK
17 Many short term marital relationships - SO FAR, NO
18 Juvenile delinquency - TOO OLD NOW
19 Revocation of conditional release - LOL WUT!
20 Criminal versatility - WHAT, GOOD A NICKING THINGS?

Dang! Need professional help.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

I have my own way of protecting against psychopaths, I encourage everyone here to use it as well...

Step 1: Realize that anyone you encounter in your daily life maybe a psychopath and can or will do you harm... this could be a neighbor, a friend, co-worker, family member, person on TV, or a complete stranger.

Step 2: Kill them immediately.

Step 3: To prevent other psychopaths from knowing you are on to them; hide the body. Your basement, garage or the woods are good locations. Cut up the body to make it harder to find or to hide it in different locations. The fool proof way to hide a body is to eat it and grind up the bones in to dust.

Step 4: Repeat until you encounter no further psychopaths.

Post of the year!

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

1 Glibness/superficial charm

Not superficial - I AM charming

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

2 Grandiose sense of self-worth

Not grandiose at all, just as long as it's about ME

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom

C'mon, why is this list so damn long?

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

4 Pathological lying

Bernard did it!

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

5 Cunning/manipulative

Herr Kaluen, it was Bernard, why don't you let him have permanent shore leave?

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

6 Lack of remorse or guilt

Ha, ha, Bernard's on permanent shore leave

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

7 Shallow affect [i.e. superficial experience and expression of emotions]

Oh dear, Bernard, that is so sad.

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

8 Callous/lack of empathy

In your face, Bernard!

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

9 Parasitic lifestyle

Hey, Bernard has left these photos of his wife!

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

10 Poor behavioural controls

I'm sorry Herr Kaluen, I will not use those pics in that manner whilst onboard again

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour

If only...

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

12 Early behaviour problems

Goosed the nanny.

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

13 Lack of realistic long-term goals

I will finish SHIII in 1945 as the victor

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

14 Impulsivity

Responding to this post.

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

15 Irresponsibility

Responding to this post instead of working.

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

I've told you, Bernard did it!

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

17 Many short term marital relationships

Just the one, and that seems like it's lasting forever!

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

18 Juvenile delinquency

Shooting up the light ships?

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

19 Revocation of conditional release

I'm back (or here's Johnny)

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

20 Criminal versatility

Parking fines AND speeding ticket in one day.

19/20 Correct - Do I win a prize

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Not superficial - I AM charming
Not grandiose at all, just as long as it's about ME
C'mon, why is this list so damn long?
Bernard did it!
Herr Kaluen, it was Bernard, why don't you let him have permanent shore leave?
Ha, ha, Bernard's on permanent shore leave
Oh dear, Bernard, that is so sad.
In your face, Bernard!
Hey, Bernard has left these photos of his wife!
I'm sorry Herr Kaluen, I will not use those pics in that manner whilst onboard again

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

I have my own way of protecting against psychopaths, I encourage everyone here to use it as well...

Step 1: Realize that anyone you encounter in your daily life maybe a psychopath and can or will do you harm... this could be a neighbor, a friend, co-worker, family member, person on TV, or a complete stranger.

Step 2: Kill them immediately.

Step 3: To prevent other psychopaths from knowing you are on to them; hide the body. Your basement, garage or the woods are good locations. Cut up the body to make it harder to find or to hide it in different locations. The fool proof way to hide a body is to eat it and grind up the bones in to dust.

Step 4: Repeat until you encounter no further psychopaths.

You could soon find yourself living a lonely existence

[NeonSamurai]

BTW the rating scale is

0 does not apply
1 somewhat applies
2 completely applies

I doubt most of you would meet the requirements to be a psychopath, but statistically I bet there are more than a few here. Also this is not a self diagnosis kind of test (or one filled out by the subject) as psychopaths will lie. It is filled out after interviews with the subject, people the subject knows, victims, and personal history that is available. Plus the PCL-R is only good for the criminal non-socialized type of psychopath.

The scary thing though is we only have some idea about the numbers of non-socialized psychopaths (ie the criminal psychopaths). The socialized ones we know little about other than they exist, as they are not likely to self identify, or submit to testing/research. A lot higher corporate management types though are candidates given their own behavior and that of corporations (which are psychopathic entities themselves, most corporations score very highly on the PCL-R).

Originally Posted by Castout

I agree with almost everything that the video mentioned. Forget the video and just listen to the narration.

yes it may be very very hard to spot a psychopath but in the video it's mentioned that sooner or later they will reveal themselves thus one of the tactic is to wait them out.

Problem with that is by the time they do, its usually way to late. They are incredibly good at masking their true intentions and manipulating those around them. Most people don't even realize the person was one even long after the relationship ended.

It's also mentioned that there's only two ways to deal with psychopath in one's life that is to evade them entirely but most often than not the time when he or she is recognized as psychopath, the damage is already done and more often than not since a psychopath takes pleasure at causing people suffering and pain he or she will continue his psychopathic actions.

Evading them is impossible, they are everywhere, and blend very well. Also I do not agree with your assertion that they take pleasure in causing suffering. One of the key components of psychopathy is shallow affect and emotions. Their emotional response tends to be flat to non existent (including to pleasure). So while they may find what they are doing amusing or entertaining, it is not pleasure in the conventional sense (that is sadism which is a sexual disorder).

This leaves only the second way to deal with the psychopath, that is to attack him relentlessly. I made a mistake of giving a psychopath quarter and being mostly passive much to the deterioration of my health, well being and life.

I would actually suggest disengagement. Psychopaths are very dangerous individuals as they can be unpredictable, do not experience fear or anxiety, and have no social compunctions. This means they can kill you with out a second thought purely on impulse, and with no regret (at best they may regret getting caught). Socialized psychopaths are less likely to kill, but that is only because they can rationalize the potential consequences of jail or execution if caught. But with out the consequence of getting caught they would kill just as readily.

Giving the other cheek doesn't work for psychopath what they need is strong action. They respect power thus fighting without giving quarter is what needs to be done.

As I said, I suggest getting out of the situation. They don't respect anything, at all. Fight them, and if they can't take you directly, they will do it indirectly or when you are vulnerable.

The video also mentioned however to give a psychopath a way out to avoid him causing unnecessary damage when he's or she is left without a way out.

That is a possibility, though they may not take it unless they benefit.

I'd say to bury the psychopath in the ground come what may. A psychopath is a very dangerous person indeed, a man which could literally make insane the sane good people over time. An active effort must be made to avoid becoming like a psychopath in effect after being a victim of one. They are most dangerous when they are people of power and wealth. But what made them what they are are also their weaknesses. Once understood they become easily predictable even to the point of dictating his every move by exploiting his thinking pattern taking away his initiatives and toying with him or her(yes I sound like one don't I that's what you get when you personally involved with one over almost a decade).

This is one area where I did not agree with the film. Psychopaths are incredibly unpredictable, even if their motivations are fairly predictable. Also psychopathy is not a learned condition, nor does it seem to be affected by environment (only the type of psychopath you turn out to be, socialized or not, may be influenced by environment). Psychopaths are born not bred according to all available present research.

A psychopath is very predictable because in essence he or she is not a sophisticated person to the point of being primal. A psychopath keyword is desire and not rational thinking thus always judge a psychopath behavior from the point of view of what he or she actually wants instead of needs.

This is false. The level of sophisitication in psychopaths varies as much as it does in normal populations. Most are very rational, in fact many would say that is all they are... cold emotionless self serving rationalists. They may not always think things through (impulsivity) though. This doesn't mean they are not predatory. But they are predatory not because they are primal in nature, but because they have absolutely zero empathy, and emotions which are at best very different from 'normal' people.

Once revealed a psychopath lost much of his striking power. But the revelation often came too late or too surprising that much damage is already being done.

Think so? I disagree quite a bit. They are still incredibly manipulative people and are extremely good at picking out your weakness and playing on them. I've actually known of clinical therapists in prisons who knew full well the person they were dealing with is a psychopath, and yet they still got emotionally caught by them, even becoming romantically involved with them (I know of one case where the therapist ended up facing criminal charges after planning to help her psychopathic lover and murder try to escape, and she was a health professional who was trained to work with psychopaths).

I'd recommend for schools to teach about psychopath to help people recognize this disability in man and help those children deal with any future psychopath that may cross their life in the future.

I am not so sure about this. For one thing you will not spot them (and it will probably lead to a lot of false accusations). Plus the public tends to take such stuff and distort it.


Anyhow I suggest you do some reading of Dr Hare's work. He is the guy that came up with the PCL-R, and is considered one of the foremost experts in the field.