A bit of a mystery

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Unless they had a 'steady cam' or stabilized image cam they could not be that zoomed in. Even just the vibration of the chopper would blur it.

Also yes that aircraft (appears to be a 172 or some such) is 'much closer' just watch the video you should be able to realize this.

Almost all still pics of the vapor trail in the media have been zoom pics from the original video footage (=Ausschnittsvergrößerung).

The size of the plane and the size of the smoke trail cannot be put into relation to each other bay visual marks - they are not there. Note that there are forms in nature like waves, coastlines, fractals and clouds that you cannot judge in size at all as long as no additional references are given. In the still pics, due to the zoom, the vapor trail looks giant. In the video, it doesn't look that impressive anymore.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Yes it does, but it is a different coloured exhaust not a true contrail.

Thanks
What do you mean different colored? Less dense?


I found it odd everybody claimed not knowing what it was.
Since the governmental bodies not issuing any warning it is safe to assume that it was launched by one.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Castout

Thanks
What do you mean different colored? Less dense?


I found it odd everybody claimed not knowing what it was.

Contrails, being water vapour, will be lighter in colour. The exhaust from the TM-185 Fuel for the Scud burns dirty and the exhaust plum is darker and because it is heaver than water vapour will tend to flatten out as it drifts downward. Contrails tend to disburse as opposed to settling.

Also the burn time of a scud motor is between 65 and 95 seconds (actual times depend on model and fuel composition). So the exhaust plume for a scud is about 90 seconds long where contrails can be many minuets long.

As for people claiming not to know what it is, I would not worry. This happened in one of our more "sensitive" Air Defense Zones. We have sensors covering that area. And it probably is not a good idea for the US to release to the public (domestic and foreign) what we can and can't identify. Hence it is in the best interest for the government to say as little as possible.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Contrails, being water vapour, will be lighter in colour. The exhaust from the TM-185 Fuel for the Scud burns dirty and the exhaust plum is darker and because it is heaver than water vapour will tend to flatten out as it drifts downward. Contrails tend to disburse as opposed to settling.

Also the burn time of a scud motor is between 65 and 95 seconds (actual times depend on model and fuel composition). So the exhaust plume for a scud is about 90 seconds long where contrails can be many minuets long.

As for people claiming not to know what it is, I would not worry. This happened in one of our more "sensitive" Air Defense Zones. We have sensors covering that area. And it probably is not a good idea for the US to release to the public (domestic and foreign) what we can and can't identify. Hence it is in the best interest for the government to say as little as possible.

Wow that's some information

[Platapus]

I .. uh .. have this "friend" who spent a lot of time analyzing scuds.

<whistling>

So how about them Redskins, boy do they suck this year.

No mistake this time.....CONFIRMED MISSILE

[Sailor Steve]

[SteamWake]

and the crowd goes mild !!!

Amazing.. they put out this 'blogger' who comes up with a plausable explination and portray it as 'fact' and boom out of the news cycle it goes.

Relying on the short attention span of americans it all just fades away.

Misson accomplished.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

and the crowd goes mild !!!

Amazing.. they put out this 'blogger' who comes up with a plausable explination and portray it as 'fact' and boom out of the news cycle it goes.

Relying on the short attention span of americans it all just fades away.

Misson accomplished.

But the possible conspiracy theories are nearly limitless.

[Buddahaid]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...ASMUSSENBR.DTL

[krashkart]

lmao

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

No mistake this time.....CONFIRMED MISSILE

Holy crap man, from the point of launch, it looks like it coulda come from my house!!!

Check my loc in my details over there (<----) if your curious.

And of all the 'coastal' cities to pick to post a picture of, why Cleveland?



I'm still all for amateur rocket theory, but couple things stick out in the blogger's explanation that have swayed me.

1) He was able to name the flight that caused the contrail, and the next day, with similar weather he took a photo that was very very similar of that same flight.

2) It was a matter of perspective. Nobody else in LA reported this thing, just the one chopper who had video. Apparently from everywhere else in LA it just looked like a plane contrail.

This whole hubbub was caused by the sensationalistic american media that you are now accusing of forgetting this thing. The video is a fluke.

[SteamWake]

That argument of "Here is the same con trail 24 hours later" blows the whole argument out of the water as far as I am concerned.

The same exact atmospheric conditions, the same wind, the same sun angle, the same relative humidity, the same temprature, the same altitude???

As I said before what are the odds.

[FIREWALL]

Calm down ladies. That contrail is what I get for trying to run my Flying Saucer on cheap\cut rate lithium crystals.

That contrail is what I get for trying to run my Flying Saucer on cheap\cut rate lithium crystals.

Have you tried running it on bio-diesel? they will probably give you a grant