A bit of a mystery - Page 9

Molon Labe · 11-10-10, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

That assumed plane right of the tip of the smoke trail - relative from the smoke trail, is it in the front, side or rear area of the smoke trail's tip/assumed rocket/missiles?

I wonder if somebody could have tried to go after that plane, using a self-constructed/unidentified kind of missile?!?

That aircraft is much, much, much closer than the trail.

Oberon · 11-10-10, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

That aircraft is much, much, much closer than the trail.

I believe that's one of the many news choppers of LA, quite possibly the CBS one. I'm not sure though.

Skybird · 11-10-10, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

That aircraft is much, much, much closer than the trail.

You sound as if you are very certain. How did you judge that? The video linked on page one stops short before the aircraft starts transiting in front of (or behind!)the smoke trail, and the video resolution is not that good to do a visual judgement of the parallax movement, and I see no other visual clues in the picture or video that allow to conclude the relative distance between the smoke trail and the aircraft. I would not even dare to definitely calculate the absolute size and dimensioin of that smoke trail. It is extremely difficult to estimate the size of a visual object like clouds or smoke fields if there is no additional information on their size, position or speed.

Fish · 11-10-10, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man

WikiLeaks will post it soon enough.

It was a North Korean provocation.

Dowly · 11-10-10, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

You sound as if you are very certain. How did you judge that? The video linked on page one stops short before the aircraft starts transiting in front of (or behind!)the smoke trail, and the video resolution is not that good to do a visual judgement of the parallax movement, and I see no other visual clues in the picture or video that allow to conclude the relative distance between the smoke trail and the aircraft. I would not even dare to definitely calculate the absolute size and dimensioin of that smoke trail. It is extremely difficult to estimate the size of a visual object like clouds or smoke fields if there is no additional information on their size, position or speed.

IMHO, the trail just looks like it's far. Can't really point a finger to it exactly, but it just looks to me like it's much farther away than the plane.

EDIT: Well, the plane looks a tad blurry, kinda out of focus. Or overly zoomed.

SteamWake · 11-10-10, 03:15 PM

The plane you see in the picture has nothing to do with the vapor trail it is actually going perpindicular to the trail.

Watch the video you will see it fly past the vapor trail. You will also see a point of light at the end of the vapor trail at some points of the video. Landing lights? Uhhh its going 'away' from the view

The plane is 'fuzzy' as it is out of the focal plane for that camera.

As usual our goverment figures were a bunch of ill informed idiots and pass this off as a weather ballon or some such. I reallty grow tired of it. I'm assuming its one of those 'we could tell you but then we would have to kill you' sort of things.

By the way I'm guessing this thing landed in the middle of the pacific somewhere as there is not mention of where it came down.

I was reading about this in another forum and someone made the best guess that I have seen so far...

"A third world country announcing they now have submarine launch capability".

Frankly thats the only thing that makes sense to me.

Skybird · 11-10-10, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Watch the video you will see it fly past the vapor trail.

Not, not in the video I get here via that link in the first post - the plane moves towards the trail, the feed ends just before the planes starts to "touch" the trail - then they change cameras. There is no pictures showing it is passing in front of or behind the trail. That's why I am irritated. The plane DOES NOT pass the trail.

I read some UFO books many years ago, and was amused by how easily many people take things for granted just because they either appeared to be "reasonable" to assume, or because they supported their intention to "believe" in UFOs. That'S why I am hacking on these details so impertinently. Probably it has been like everybody is saying - but I want no hear-say or wild guessing, but evidence for that, please.

And the video in that link does not show what is claimed that it shows, but gets cut just before. The video also does not seem to show any visual reference that allows to judge the size and dimension of that trail.

TLAM Strike · 11-10-10, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

I was reading about this in another forum and someone made the best guess that I have seen so far...

"A third world country announcing they now have submarine launch capability".

Frankly thats the only thing that makes sense to me.

North Korea got their hands of a old Golf, but not much has been seen of her in along time. Unlike some of our other enemies the DPRK doesn't announce the launching of new sub classes on Youtube...

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I wonder if somebody could have tried to go after that plane, using a self-constructed/unidentified kind of missile?!?

Smoky SAM anyone?

TLAM Strike · 11-10-10, 08:01 PM

http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-...ays-flight-808

Buddahaid · 11-10-10, 09:31 PM

SteamWake · 11-10-10, 10:06 PM

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The comparison is quite clear. A remarkably similar, less-hyped, contrail created by the same flight almost exactly 24 hours later!

Yea boy .. wow what are the odds..

What a bunch of bs.

Skybird · 11-11-10, 03:37 AM

I too thought of contrails first when seeing the video and pictures first, imagining it to be a strange kind of SAM came just later. It does not help in judging the thing that apparently most pics they released are massively zoomed in.

SteamWake · 11-11-10, 10:27 AM

Unless they had a 'steady cam' or stabilized image cam they could not be that zoomed in. Even just the vibration of the chopper would blur it.

Also yes that aircraft (appears to be a 172 or some such) is 'much closer' just watch the video you should be able to realize this.

Blood_splat · 11-11-10, 10:37 AM

It's the Aurora.

Platapus · 11-11-10, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Castout

One question can scud missile produce similar contrail or a much less noticeable one? Just wondering if scuds would produce contrails at all.

That contrail is so big . . . .

Yes it does, but it is a different coloured exhaust not a true contrail.

11-10-10, 03:15 PM	#126
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The plane you see in the picture has nothing to do with the vapor trail it is actually going perpindicular to the trail. Watch the video you will see it fly past the vapor trail. You will also see a point of light at the end of the vapor trail at some points of the video. Landing lights? Uhhh its going 'away' from the view The plane is 'fuzzy' as it is out of the focal plane for that camera. As usual our goverment figures were a bunch of ill informed idiots and pass this off as a weather ballon or some such. I reallty grow tired of it. I'm assuming its one of those 'we could tell you but then we would have to kill you' sort of things. By the way I'm guessing this thing landed in the middle of the pacific somewhere as there is not mention of where it came down. I was reading about this in another forum and someone made the best guess that I have seen so far... "A third world country announcing they now have submarine launch capability". Frankly thats the only thing that makes sense to me. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648 Last edited by SteamWake; 11-10-10 at 03:56 PM.

11-10-10, 08:01 PM	#129
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	http://blog.bahneman.com/content/it-...ays-flight-808 __________________

11-10-10, 09:31 PM	#130
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,341 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	__________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

11-11-10, 03:37 AM	#132
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,830 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I too thought of contrails first when seeing the video and pictures first, imagining it to be a strange kind of SAM came just later. It does not help in judging the thing that apparently most pics they released are massively zoomed in. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-11-10, 10:27 AM	#133
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Unless they had a 'steady cam' or stabilized image cam they could not be that zoomed in. Even just the vibration of the chopper would blur it. Also yes that aircraft (appears to be a 172 or some such) is 'much closer' just watch the video you should be able to realize this. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

11-11-10, 10:37 AM	#134
Blood_splat Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Beneath the waves Posts: 568 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	It's the Aurora.