Opponents Are "Patriots" Not "Enemies"

AVGWarhawk · 11-02-10, 08:26 AM

TTM...if the Republican take control they will need to deliver the goods. If not, in 2 years the Repubs will lose again. In all reality the Repubs are looking to undo 2 years of what Obama has done. It will take 2 years to accomplish that!

tater · 11-02-10, 08:32 AM

I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).

mookiemookie · 11-02-10, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tater

I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).

The last Congress was a disaster because of stuff like this:

The problem is that lately the GOP has taken such a turn to the hard right that their view of "centrism" is skewed. And you can forget bipartisanship - the tone is to oust any "moderate" Republicans who are viewed as frauds and pretenders. If you don't meet some ideological purity test, you're shunned.

I had a woman tell me that she believed any Republican that broke ranks with the party in a bipartisanship vote should be kicked out of the party. What an idiot.

August · 11-02-10, 09:51 AM

Was an imaginary snow plowing bill really the best example you could have come up with to prove your point Mookie?

As for ousting centrist members isn't that what the Democrats have been doing lately to the Blue Dogs?

mookiemookie · 11-02-10, 09:58 AM

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Was an imaginary snow plowing bill really the best example you could have come up with to prove your point Mookie?

It illustrates exactly how the past two years have transpired and it proves my point exactly.

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As for ousting centrist members isn't that what the Democrats have been doing lately to the Blue Dogs?

Does that make it right?

SteamWake · 11-02-10, 10:37 AM

The dulcid tones of Hillary Clinton...

Anyhow Barry probably thought he was in safe territory being on Univision. He found out otherwise.

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Obama, in an interview with talk radio host Michael Baisden, said, "I probably should have used the word 'opponents' instead of enemies."

He was backtracking from a comment he made a week ago in an interview with Univision radio in which he sought to persuade Hispanics to vote for Democratic candidates instead of Republicans.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69929420101101

August · 11-02-10, 11:47 AM

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It illustrates exactly how the past two years have transpired and it proves my point exactly.

An imaginary story proves no point. I'll grant you that it might help illustrate a point that you are trying to make (though a real life example would be far better) but it "proves" nothing.

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Does that make it right?

Of course not. But you said "The problem" like it's all the fault of those ebil republican obstructionists. If the GoP is drifting right then it's at least partially in response to the Dems drifting left as illustrated by the (real life) disowning of the Blue Dogs.

mookiemookie · 11-02-10, 11:58 AM

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An imaginary story proves no point.

Wow. Just wow.

Bubblehead1980 · 11-02-10, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The last Congress was a disaster because of stuff like this:

The problem is that lately the GOP has taken such a turn to the hard right that their view of "centrism" is skewed. And you can forget bipartisanship - the tone is to oust any "moderate" Republicans who are viewed as frauds and pretenders. If you don't meet some ideological purity test, you're shunned.

I had a woman tell me that she believed any Republican that broke ranks with the party in a bipartisanship vote should be kicked out of the party. What an idiot.

Bipartisanship is overrated and part of the problem.When you have two groups who's principles are at absolute odds with one another, you can not compromise.Those who do compromise when it goes against what they really believe are a weak, spineless breed and have NO place in the GOP.I'm glad to see the RINO's gone.Just too bad we couldn't purge McCain out of the party but oh well I guess.

Mookie, I agree the anyone who says someone should get the boot for simply breaking ranks is wrong, maybe even an idiot.However, if they claim to be a Republican/Conservative but often vote for things are are contrary to the principles of a Republican/Conservative then they become a RINO and should be given the boot.Breaking ranks now and then unless on a big issue like health care is acceptable.I often disagree with fellow Republicans and Conservatives on issues such as gay marriage, religion, etc but it makes me no less a Republican or Conservative.However, if I claimed to be one and supported Obama and the Dems on fiscal issues or healthcare, then my principles are obviously not strong and I am in the wrong party.

RINO's like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, John McCain etc Governor of Florida Charlie Crist is a great example of a RINO, claims to be a "moderate" lol but a damn RINO and thus why he lost the Primary to Rubio and is way down in the polls for Senate since he switched to Independent.Some tolerance for the occasional different view on issues can be shown but people who are regular offenders should be shunned and in this new era for the party, they prob will and that is a great thing.

11-02-10, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tater

I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).

obama has shown he has the temperment and judgement of a spoiled 2yr old child and will only pout and stomp his feet, complain endlessly, never compromise, and blame everyone but himself.

he has shown he will never compromise or try to get along, hell even with the big losses the democrats know are coming, just a few days ago in a speech he told republicans they had to get to the back of the bus

he sure likes to play the race card a lot and makes racist comments for someone who said he is supposed to be post racial

mookiemookie · 11-02-10, 11:56 AM

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obama has shown he has the temperment and judgement of a spoiled 2yr old child and will only pout and stomp his feet, complain endlessly, never compromise, and blame everyone but himself.

Never compromise? The whole reason everyone on the left is mad at him is because of excessive concessions to the other side, in some misguided attempt at bipartisanship. Never compromise indeed.

11-02-10, 12:40 PM

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Never compromise? The whole reason everyone on the left is mad at him is because of excessive concessions to the other side, in some misguided attempt at bipartisanship. Never compromise indeed.

well then name one thing the republicans wanted to do that he has gone along with and compromised on?

the left is mad at him because he hasnt been able to FORCE all the democrats to go along with his plans to destroy america free enterprise system and install european socialist goverment already and now they see they are about to loose the power they had to ram that through against the will of the people.

obama's idea of compromise is if you go along with what i want then we will let you take some of the credit for it.

compromise is about give and take yet obama will never take ANY ideas from republicans and will never give in on getting his way on everything.

mookiemookie · 11-02-10, 01:13 PM

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well then name one thing the republicans wanted to do that he has gone along with and compromised on?

I can name several off the top of my head: no single payer healthcare, no public option, extending Bush tax cuts for some, expansion of offshore drilling (before the BP clusterfook) and the D.C. school vouchers program.

SteamWake · 11-02-10, 01:21 PM

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I can name several off the top of my head: no single payer healthcare, no public option, extending Bush tax cuts for some, expansion of offshore drilling (before the BP clusterfook) and the D.C. school vouchers program.

Wow.. uhh...

We will all end up in single payer programs because our current providors cannot compete (by design). Obama has even expressed a desire to do just that.

If the current admin. could end the Bush tax cuts without having hail holy mary unleashed they would do so in a hearbeat.

The BP clusterfook... clouldent have said it better myself.

I dont see a lot of 'comprimise' here.

Bubblehead1980 · 11-02-10, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

obama has shown he has the temperment and judgement of a spoiled 2yr old child and will only pout and stomp his feet, complain endlessly, never compromise, and blame everyone but himself.

he has shown he will never compromise or try to get along, hell even with the big losses the democrats know are coming, just a few days ago in a speech he told republicans they had to get to the back of the bus

he sure likes to play the race card a lot and makes racist comments for someone who said he is supposed to be post racial

lol duh because he is racist, I knew this before 2008 after reading his books.The man's racism has came to light in various comments and incidents(such as copgate) Obama is also someone who has used his race his ENTIRE life as a means to get in the door someone then as an excuse if something does not work out.Just a disgusting trait(flaw) he has as a human being. +

11-02-10, 08:26 AM	#1
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,286 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	TTM...if the Republican take control they will need to deliver the goods. If not, in 2 years the Repubs will lose again. In all reality the Repubs are looking to undo 2 years of what Obama has done. It will take 2 years to accomplish that! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

11-02-10, 09:51 AM	#4
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,221 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Was an imaginary snow plowing bill really the best example you could have come up with to prove your point Mookie? As for ousting centrist members isn't that what the Democrats have been doing lately to the Blue Dogs? __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

11-02-10, 08:32 AM	#2
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).