Opponents Are "Patriots" Not "Enemies"

mookiemookie · 11-02-10, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

well then name one thing the republicans wanted to do that he has gone along with and compromised on?

I can name several off the top of my head: no single payer healthcare, no public option, extending Bush tax cuts for some, expansion of offshore drilling (before the BP clusterfook) and the D.C. school vouchers program.

SteamWake · 11-02-10, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I can name several off the top of my head: no single payer healthcare, no public option, extending Bush tax cuts for some, expansion of offshore drilling (before the BP clusterfook) and the D.C. school vouchers program.

Wow.. uhh...

We will all end up in single payer programs because our current providors cannot compete (by design). Obama has even expressed a desire to do just that.

If the current admin. could end the Bush tax cuts without having hail holy mary unleashed they would do so in a hearbeat.

The BP clusterfook... clouldent have said it better myself.

I dont see a lot of 'comprimise' here.

11-02-10, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

If the current admin. could end the Bush tax cuts without having hail holy mary unleashed they would do so in a hearbeat.

they did just that by not voting to extend them they will ALL expire Jan 1st even those for the middle class so by doing nothing the ended All the Bush tax cuts.

them saying they will do it in a lame duck session after the elections is a smoke screen because they get just what they wanted (higher taxes) by just doing nothing about them.

August · 11-02-10, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

they did just that by not voting to extend them they will ALL expire Jan 1st even those for the middle class so by doing nothing the ended All the Bush tax cuts.

them saying they will do it in a lame duck session after the elections is a smoke screen because they get just what they wanted (higher taxes) by just doing nothing about them.

Doesn't really matter I think. The incoming Congress will extend them long before anyone has to pay.

tater · 11-02-10, 03:03 PM

"Healthcare" was the unmitigated disaster.

The healthcare bill that I guarantee no one who voted for completely understands (they couldn't possibly given the "pass it yesterday!" time frame) is a trojan horse for single payer.

It's a massive cluster*******, and will hurt healthcare delivery, and providers. It does nothing to solve the problem in the US which is NOT people uncovered. The real problem is COST (and in flyover states, lack of docs and nurses). This bill will increase costs for people that actually pay for healthcare (the insured). Will, not might. Why? Adding medicaid patients (tens of millions) costs providers money out of pocket. They must get rate increases from the insured, or be unable to stay in business. They'll also do everything possible to avoid seeing medicaid. Sadly, specialists who need to work in hospitals (surgeons) cannot avoid medicaid since they get those deadbeats when they are on call (they're not all deadbeats, but the % of medicaid deadbeats is way higher than non-medicaid).

tater · 11-02-10, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Doesn't really matter I think. The incoming Congress will extend them long before anyone has to pay.

New congress can't do squat, frankly. Obama has veto.

Anything passed will have to be bipartisan.

11-02-10, 03:03 PM	#5
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	"Healthcare" was the unmitigated disaster. The healthcare bill that I guarantee no one who voted for completely understands (they couldn't possibly given the "pass it yesterday!" time frame) is a trojan horse for single payer. It's a massive cluster******, and will hurt healthcare delivery, and providers. It does nothing to solve the problem in the US which is NOT people uncovered. The real problem is COST (and in flyover states, lack of docs and nurses). This bill will increase costs for people that actually pay for healthcare (the insured). Will, not might*. Why? Adding medicaid patients (tens of millions) costs providers money out of pocket. They must get rate increases from the insured, or be unable to stay in business. They'll also do everything possible to avoid seeing medicaid. Sadly, specialists who need to work in hospitals (surgeons) cannot avoid medicaid since they get those deadbeats when they are on call (they're not all deadbeats, but the % of medicaid deadbeats is way higher than non-medicaid).