Justice? 40 year sentance for Omar Khadr!!... maybe not

the_tyrant · 11-01-10, 04:02 PM

Wikipedia told me that this guy killed a wounded solder
If i remembered correctly, that in itself is a war crime

tater · 11-01-10, 04:29 PM

That is weak, sorry.

The CIA drone pilot is not on the battlefield. The purpose of uniforms and rank, etc, is to distinguish combatants from noncombatants to minimize harm to the latter. The DRONE, OTOH, was certainly wearing a "uniform" that positively IDed it as an asset of the US, clearly distinguishing it from, say, an airliner. The DRONE is the combatant. Claiming the operator needed a uniform is like claiming that an infantryman's BRAIN should wear a uniform inside his skull.

What is on the BATTLEFIELD is what matters. being out of uniform in Virginia, has exactly zero bearing on the rules of war, and their purpose.

Bilge_Rat · 11-01-10, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

That is weak, sorry.

The CIA drone pilot is not on the battlefield. The purpose of uniforms and rank, etc, is to distinguish combatants from noncombatants to minimize harm to the latter. The DRONE, OTOH, was certainly wearing a "uniform" that positively IDed it as an asset of the US, clearly distinguishing it from, say, an airliner. The DRONE is the combatant. Claiming the operator needed a uniform is like claiming that an infantryman's BRAIN should wear a uniform inside his skull.

What is on the BATTLEFIELD is what matters. being out of uniform in Virginia, has exactly zero bearing on the rules of war, and their purpose.

perhaps...but the U.S. government's lawyers were worried enough that they rewrote the law, ...sorry "rules", just before the trial, ...sorry "hearing", to make sure the charge would only apply to that particular defendant.

I am usually a defender of U.S. actions and motives, but the "trials" at Guantanamo are as fair as what you would expect from a political trial in Russia. I hope the damage to the reputation of the U.S. around the world was worth it just to convict this kid.

Dowly · 11-01-10, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Wikipedia told me that this guy killed a wounded solder
If i remembered correctly, that in itself is a war crime

Didn't see anything about killing wounded soldier.

the_tyrant · 11-01-10, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Didn't see anything about killing wounded soldier.

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He has spent seven years in the Guantanamo Bay detention camps accused of war crimes and providing support to terrorism after throwing a grenade that fatally wounded a US soldier

from my best friend wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr

Edit: sorry, my mistake
I read it as "a grenade on fatally wounded a US soldier"

Dowly · 11-01-10, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

from my best friend wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Khadr

Edit: sorry, my mistake
I read it as "a grenade on fatally wounded a US soldier"

No worries, mistakes happen, just making sure I didn't miss something.

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I hope the damage to the reputation of the U.S. around the world was worth it just to convict this kid.

No one won't even remember this a month, two later.

krashkart · 11-01-10, 05:31 PM

Khadr will. He'll remember every wrong that was done to him, everything that was denied him that he should have had to save his eyesight, everything that was done during interrogation to aggravate the pain of his injuries. If he didn't already hate the West, he has plenty of reason now.

tater · 11-01-10, 05:34 PM

Call them POWs, and keep them until AQ unconditionally surrenders to us. THEN try any that are actually "war criminals."

Until AQ formally surrenders, they stay locked up.

11-01-10, 04:02 PM	#1
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Wikipedia told me that this guy killed a wounded solder If i remembered correctly, that in itself is a war crime

11-01-10, 04:29 PM	#2
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	That is weak, sorry. The CIA drone pilot is not on the battlefield. The purpose of uniforms and rank, etc, is to distinguish combatants from noncombatants to minimize harm to the latter. The DRONE, OTOH, was certainly wearing a "uniform" that positively IDed it as an asset of the US, clearly distinguishing it from, say, an airliner. The DRONE is the combatant. Claiming the operator needed a uniform is like claiming that an infantryman's BRAIN should wear a uniform inside his skull. What is on the BATTLEFIELD is what matters. being out of uniform in Virginia, has exactly zero bearing on the rules of war, and their purpose.

11-01-10, 05:31 PM	#7
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	Khadr will. He'll remember every wrong that was done to him, everything that was denied him that he should have had to save his eyesight, everything that was done during interrogation to aggravate the pain of his injuries. If he didn't already hate the West, he has plenty of reason now.

11-01-10, 05:34 PM	#8
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Call them POWs, and keep them until AQ unconditionally surrenders to us. THEN try any that are actually "war criminals." Until AQ formally surrenders, they stay locked up.