Liberal Activist Attacked by Zealous Conservative - Page 3

tater · 10-27-10, 02:44 PM

That's a reasonable way to look at the situation, from the security standpoint. Up to this point I hadn't really (I've been calling it assault, right?).

In the context of someone rushing a candidate with a package, what did the attack on Senator Kennedy (Bobby) look like? What did the attack on Reagan look like (you can watch the vid). Or Jack Ruby vs Oswald, or the recent attack on Bhutto (killed 21).

Someone moves in close, then attacks. The decision point to act or not act is tiny, and needs to happen before they are a threat. This is why the secret service tries to control crowds in advance to prevent incidents like this.

Seen from a security standpoint, I think anyone moving quickly towards a candidate of any party needs to be taken down. This may well be why the police have not charged anyone, the security angle would be hard to beat in court, and they used "reasonable" force to secure her (not like someone dropped her on the spot with a pistol).

Interesting point, though.

I'd say the same about an Obama or Pelosi protested rushing them (in the former case if the Secret Service popped them, they'd be well within their rights—don't like him, but he's the Pres, and you don't **** with the President).

Bubblehead1980 · 10-27-10, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Bull.

YOU DON'T TACKLE AND STOMP/STEP ON/TICKLE WITH YOUR FOOT OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH THEIR POLITICS.

What's scary is that there's people like you who believe this sort of thing is justified.

They didnt take her down and he did not hold her down with his foot because of her political views, she got too close, was in disguise and tried to put her sign in the car, she had some package or something also.Tensions are high, I hate to say it but I would not be surprised if some wacked out Lefty tries to take out one of the candidates.They felt she was threatening Paul so they took her down, absolutely justified.I bet if someone did the same to some Dem candidate you'd say "oh te crazy tea partier was trying to harm so and so" and I would agree they deserved to be taken down even though I dislike the candidate .This wacko was asking for trouble and she got it.Now as I said, prob shouldnt have put his foot on her but its a technique used, seen cops do it, it works, no real harm, if he stomped her she would be in hospital.So lets get off the false outrage soapbox

Honestly, this girl seems like she may be borderline retarded, and I am not saying this as an insult.I watched her on Lord Douche Olberman's show last night in addition just watched this edited version of the video on youtube with her post incident interview, she seems a bit slow.Would not surprise me if moveon sent a borderline retarded person out for something like that.The Left certainly likes to exploit the weaker among us for their own political gain.

EDITED video, does not show the entire incident:

10-27-10, 02:46 PM

Absolutely correct. It had nothing to do with her politics. It had everything to do with a threat scenerio.

tater · 10-27-10, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

yeah, well thats all wonderful except you forgot the part where they stomped on her head. She was already restrained on the ground. If their goal was to be "good citizens" and restrain here they would have stopped at the part where 2 guys were on top of her holding her down. This was just violence.

Except they didn't "stomp" on her head. Looks more like held her down with a foot. Put a cantaloupe on the floor. Stomp it.

Messy, no?

krashkart · 10-27-10, 02:48 PM

Man, the sixties had nothing on this horribly violent decade.

razark · 10-27-10, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Freiwillige

When are we going to come together as American's and try to solve these problems on a whole without the division?

Except when anyone on the right asks this question, it means "When is the left going to give up and do it our way?", and when it's asked by the left, it means "When are they going to give up and do it our way?"

gimpy117 · 10-27-10, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

Except they didn't "stomp" on her head. Looks more like held her down with a foot. Put a cantaloupe on the floor. Stomp it.

Messy, no?

except it was after the fact and pointless. he just wanted to bash her in the head

August · 10-27-10, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The part where people try to make this yahoo thug out to be a hero like he jumped in front of a bullet. No one was in any danger.

They're only doing the same thing that you do when the shoe is on the other political foot. You saw nothing seriously wrong with billy club wielding Black Panthers patrolling polling places and they see nothing seriously wrong with a half hearted foot "stomp" to someone who went out of her way to make herself into a victim.

Meanwhile both sides ignore the moderating voices who try to say that such incidents are not representative of the mainstream of either political group.

And the beat goes on.

10-27-10, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by krashkart

Man, the sixties had nothing on this horribly violent decade.

tater · 10-27-10, 02:57 PM

Democrat candidate comes to your work. A person wearing a shirt or sign that is negative to that candidate starts rushing the guy visiting with something in his hand.

What do you do? Probably tackle him.

Watched the vid again, the whole thing transpires in a few seconds. It's not like they "secured her" then started wailing on her. The foot part is a couple seconds.

BTW, I know some cops and firefighters, and they have talked to me about getting pumped up with adrenaline during emergency situations. We've all read about cops going too far in that state, even if just for a few seconds. It happens.

A guy that worked for me once was burglarized. At lunch the next week I needed to get some wood at home for a shelf we were going to build at the office. he volunteered his PU truck and asked to stop at home since it was close and he was still freaked out. Jokingly, I put on my holster (open carry being legal) and told him we were set for his check of his house. When we arrived there was a car in the driveway (not one of his). The burglar was indeed back! As we went around back, I find myself in the odd position of unsnapping my holster, and working the safety off. He wants to charge in and stop the guy, and though my heart was pounding out of my chest I told him to go to a neighbor and call 911. As I walked past the perp's car, I noticed he left his keys in the ignition for a quick get away

I leaned in, removed his keys, then joined my employee on the neighbor's stoop. I could see him as he left (setting off the as of yet unheard house alarm) sit down, then do the "pat yourself all over looking for keys" dance. Cops got him within 100 yards of the house.

After that, I never doubted the adrenaline rush thing again. I was wired for hours.

Isolated incident. No one really hurt, thankfully.

Bubblehead1980 · 10-27-10, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man

God he is just a waste of protoplasm, disgusting vile man and a personal friend of Barry O. Also, someone should tell him he is old now, time to give up the ear ring.

mookiemookie · 10-27-10, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by August

They're only doing the same thing that you do when the shoe is on the other political foot. You saw nothing seriously wrong with billy club wielding Black Panthers patrolling polling places

Did I say that?

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and they see nothing seriously wrong with a half hearted foot "stomp" to someone who went out of her way to make herself into a victim.

"She was asking for it" is never a good defense.

AVGWarhawk · 10-27-10, 03:01 PM

Yeah man...them teabaggers are all whacked and violent and crap. Look at these teabagger.

NO WAIT..... Hell, these fellas just waited until election day to get their vote out as well as what your vote was 'gunna be.'

American's can't remember crap for longer then a week....

SteamWake · 10-27-10, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I got news for you. They don't have to try and portray anything. The Tea partiers are doing a good job of it all on their own between this and open carry demonstrations. I don't care who you are, you don't go carrying around weapons to make a point in politics. To this layman, gives the overall picture of a bunch of fringe whack jobs id rather not have anything to do with.

I think they are getting quite a bit of help being portrayed as 'wackos' the vast majority of them are just plain folks.

Have one guy do something stupid and its 5 seconds of video over and over and over as if thats all they do is beat pepole up.

Oh and 'carry' thing again? Sheese.

Lastley about the comments "Stomp on them because you disagree with their politics" . I honestly dont think politics had alot to do with that. She was acting strangly and percieved as a threat. Rightfully so or not lets not forget that small fact.

Bubblehead1980 · 10-27-10, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yeah man...them teabaggers are all whacked and violent and crap. Look at these teabagger.

NO WAIT..... Hell, these fellas just waited until election day to get their vote out as well as what your vote was 'gunna be.'

American's can't remember crap for longer then a week....

They are examples of why abortion is a good thing sometimes

10-27-10, 03:01 PM	#43
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,286 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yeah man...them teabaggers are all whacked and violent and crap. Look at these teabagger. NO WAIT..... Hell, these fellas just waited until election day to get their vote out as well as what your vote was 'gunna be.' American's can't remember crap for longer then a week.... __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

10-27-10, 02:44 PM	#31
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	That's a reasonable way to look at the situation, from the security standpoint. Up to this point I hadn't really (I've been calling it assault, right?). In the context of someone rushing a candidate with a package, what did the attack on Senator Kennedy (Bobby) look like? What did the attack on Reagan look like (you can watch the vid). Or Jack Ruby vs Oswald, or the recent attack on Bhutto (killed 21). Someone moves in close, then attacks. The decision point to act or not act is tiny, and needs to happen before they are a threat. This is why the secret service tries to control crowds in advance to prevent incidents like this. Seen from a security standpoint, I think anyone moving quickly towards a candidate of any party needs to be taken down. This may well be why the police have not charged anyone, the security angle would be hard to beat in court, and they used "reasonable" force to secure her (not like someone dropped her on the spot with a pistol). Interesting point, though. I'd say the same about an Obama or Pelosi protested rushing them (in the former case if the Secret Service popped them, they'd be well within their rights—don't like him, but he's the Pres, and you don't **** with the President).

10-27-10, 02:46 PM	#33
The Third Man Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Absolutely correct. It had nothing to do with her politics. It had everything to do with a threat scenerio.

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krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	Man, the sixties had nothing on this horribly violent decade.

10-27-10, 02:57 PM	#40
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Democrat candidate comes to your work. A person wearing a shirt or sign that is negative to that candidate starts rushing the guy visiting with something in his hand. What do you do? Probably tackle him. Watched the vid again, the whole thing transpires in a few seconds. It's not like they "secured her" then started wailing on her. The foot part is a couple seconds. BTW, I know some cops and firefighters, and they have talked to me about getting pumped up with adrenaline during emergency situations. We've all read about cops going too far in that state, even if just for a few seconds. It happens. A guy that worked for me once was burglarized. At lunch the next week I needed to get some wood at home for a shelf we were going to build at the office. he volunteered his PU truck and asked to stop at home since it was close and he was still freaked out. Jokingly, I put on my holster (open carry being legal) and told him we were set for his check of his house. When we arrived there was a car in the driveway (not one of his). The burglar was indeed back! As we went around back, I find myself in the odd position of unsnapping my holster, and working the safety off. He wants to charge in and stop the guy, and though my heart was pounding out of my chest I told him to go to a neighbor and call 911. As I walked past the perp's car, I noticed he left his keys in the ignition for a quick get away I leaned in, removed his keys, then joined my employee on the neighbor's stoop. I could see him as he left (setting off the as of yet unheard house alarm) sit down, then do the "pat yourself all over looking for keys" dance. Cops got him within 100 yards of the house. After that, I never doubted the adrenaline rush thing again. I was wired for hours. Isolated incident. No one really hurt, thankfully.