Vote for the hand that slaps you!!!

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by TheSatyr

Obama (and his wife) were both failed attorneys that were both disbarred I believe

Disbarment and/or disciplinary action are a matter of public record... if only there were some quick and easy way to look these things up!

OH WAIT THERE IS.

The Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois, which maintains records of such things for Illinois attorneys, and provides the public with a convenient "search by name" function for looking up those records, shows that both Obamas are "voluntarily inactive" - which means only that they have let their licenses to practice lapse. This is not uncommon when an individual in a licensed profession no longer sees the point in paying the fees to maintain an active license, because he/she is no longer doing the kind of work that requires one (due to retirement, career change, or a myriad of other reasons).

When it comes to "Public Record of Discipline and Pending Proceedings" taken against either Obama, the answer is "None" in both cases.

[antikristuseke]

But Frau Kaleun, these are facts, they have no place in civilized discussion of politics. Now repeat after me: "Shut up when you are talking to me."

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

But Frau Kaleun, these are facts, they have no place in civilized discussion of politics. Now repeat after me: "Shut up when you are talking to me."

Fine. See if I send you a sammich then.

As long as we're not muddying the water with facts, perhaps we should discuss your love of goats* and disturbing tendency to do security work sans pants.



*Which reminds me, anybody seen Vendor around? I'm actually starting to miss him.**



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[krashkart]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

*Which reminds me, anybody seen Vendor around? I'm actually starting to miss him.**



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Where Art Thou?

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Disbarment and/or disciplinary action are a matter of public record... if only there were some quick and easy way to look these things up!

OH WAIT THERE IS.

The Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois, which maintains records of such things for Illinois attorneys, and provides the public with a convenient "search by name" function for looking up those records, shows that both Obamas are "voluntarily inactive" - which means only that they have let their licenses to practice lapse. This is not uncommon when an individual in a licensed profession no longer sees the point in paying the fees to maintain an active license, because he/she is no longer doing the kind of work that requires one (due to retirement, career change, or a myriad of other reasons).

When it comes to "Public Record of Discipline and Pending Proceedings" taken against either Obama, the answer is "None" in both cases.

Doesent change the fact that they are or were attournys. As far as I can tell that never practiced law and spent the vast majority of their time in 'community orginizer' positions.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Fine. See if I send you a sammich then.

As long as we're not muddying the water with facts, perhaps we should discuss your love of goats* and disturbing tendency to do security work sans pants.

But I needs me a sammich to be a strong lad, besides the university girls like me sans pants. But I am still wearing trousers.

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Doesent change the fact that they are or were attournys. As far as I can tell that never practiced law and spent the vast majority of their time in 'community orginizer' positions.

Please reread my post, which you quoted - it has nothing to do with whether or not they are or ever were practicing attorneys.

It has to do with someone stating a "belief" that they were no longer practicing attorneyrs because they'd been disbarred. According to the agency that oversees registration and discipline of attorneys in Illinois, there is no record of any disciplinary action against either of them, much less disbarment.

[gimpy117]

Thats the sad thing. Republicans aren't really the party for the working man. Their policies often favor the rich. Under their control the Middle class has shrunk, probably not to return for some time. Its sad to see that the Republicans have been able the sell their lies yet another political cycle.

I sincerely believe, that even though times are not perfect now, If we elect these dingbats for another 4 years it will be bush 2.0 and we will really be screwed.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...rom-the-pledge

[August]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

Thats the sad thing. Republicans aren't really the party for the working man. Their policies often favor the rich. Under their control the Middle class has shrunk, probably not to return for some time. Its sad to see that the Republicans have been able the sell their lies yet another political cycle.

I would counter that by saying that under the Democrats the middle class was artificially and unsustainably inflated. A factory worker, even a union factory worker, was never supposed to be a middle class job. Paying them middle class wages especially in todays global economy has just caused their jobs and a whole lot more to move overseas which is the true reason for this apparent shrinkage of the middle class.

[antikristuseke]

yep, unreasonable wage expectations are a large part why it is cheaper to produce outside of the states, but then again allmost everyone wants more all the time and when it comes time to make concessions to keep what little you have allmost no one has the foresight to be willing to do it. But blaming it on either the democratic party or the republican party is bull****, their blame is equal. The only real difference between the two parties is their rethoric.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

I would counter that by saying that under the Democrats the middle class was artificially and unsustainably inflated. A factory worker, even a union factory worker, was never supposed to be a middle class job. Paying them middle class wages especially in todays global economy has just caused their jobs and a whole lot more to move overseas which is the true reason for this apparent shrinkage of the middle class.

Good point. I've had one too many glasses of wine to try and nitpick it apart, but I can certainly respect that line of thinking.

Unions serve a purpose. But unchecked, they can be as detrimental as they are useful.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Unions serve a purpose. But unchecked, they can be as detrimental as they are useful.

Very true. My main problem is they tend to promote a class division between management and labor. Such institutionalized acrimony is not good for the long term health of any company.

The other side of the coin though is that managements financial success needs to be better tied to the long term success of their company. After all pay someone a few million bucks and what does he care if his leadership causes the company to go under in a few years? He's already made his money.

[Moeceefus]

Ah unions, good ole legalized extortion. Unions kill companies. I worked for DHL for a while until the union killed them in the states. I hear they do well in Europe at least. Workers rights should be law. I shouldn't have to pay half my paycheck to the mob to get justice on the job.

[gimpy117]

It depends on the union. my union would just about give the owners a foot massage to keep them happy. Our economy was booming when the auto workers were paid good wages. Its what built Michigan. If you've lived here, then you know what the collapse of the middle class has done to places like this.