Vote for the hand that slaps you!!!

[Torvald Von Mansee]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ap_pol...g_class_whites

Nope. Not a lick of racism (or at least stupidity), here!!!

[Skybird]

While I expect Obama to take a spanking in November, I wonder if this really will mean anything for presidential elections in two years - or if Ahnie Schwozenägga, with whom I seem to agree here, got it right when saying that due to being impotent to present a credible, reasonable candidate themselves, the Republicans will lose again against Obama. I think it is a very big mistake by the right to allow the impression that they could seriously consider Palin et. al to run a presidency. They should let her do damage by vomitting her usual poison, but make it clear in time that she is nothing the Republicans could ever consider to nominate for candidacy. With her they have no chance in the final race.

Schwarzenegger says Obama likely to get re-elected

[SteamWake]

I dont see the racisim there other than the fact that a single faction of a single race has been splintered off in the poll.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by Skybird

While I expect Obama to take a spanking in November, I wonder if this really will mean anything for presidential elections in two years - or if Ahnie Schwozenägga, with whom I seem to agree here, got it right when saying that due to being impotent to present a credible, reasonable candidate themselves, the Republicans will lose again against Obama. I think it is a very big mistake by the right to allow the impression that they could seriously consider Palin et. al to run a presidency. They should let her do damage by vomitting her usual poison, but make it clear in time that she is nothing the Republicans could ever consider to nominate for candidacy. With her they have no chance in the final race.

Schwarzenegger says Obama likely to get re-elected

Well, if it were Palin vs. Obama, you'd think it would be Obama, as he's so clearly more intelligent and educated. Of course, in the United States it's possible to be TOO smart and educated for some people. Frequently, the clearly stupid/uneducated will win in an election. Is there ANY other industrialized country where this sort of thing happens?

[GoldenRivet]

What i see is:

Dems put up Obama for re-election

Reps put up palin

The tea party endorses a candidate who runs on the independent platform

I know who I would vote for.

[TheSatyr]

Anyone who thinks Obama is more intellegent than Palin really needs to sit back and check the records. Palin was a fairly successful Governor. Obama (and his wife) were both failed attorneys that were both disbarred I believe,and I'm not really sure what Obama ever accomplished besides get elected President. (And to this day I STILL don't understand how a nobody with no real history like Obama could have beaten Hillary Clinton...other than the fact that he was a well spoken black.).

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by TheSatyr

Obama (and his wife) were both failed attorneys that were both disbarred I believe

Disbarment and/or disciplinary action are a matter of public record... if only there were some quick and easy way to look these things up!

OH WAIT THERE IS.

The Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois, which maintains records of such things for Illinois attorneys, and provides the public with a convenient "search by name" function for looking up those records, shows that both Obamas are "voluntarily inactive" - which means only that they have let their licenses to practice lapse. This is not uncommon when an individual in a licensed profession no longer sees the point in paying the fees to maintain an active license, because he/she is no longer doing the kind of work that requires one (due to retirement, career change, or a myriad of other reasons).

When it comes to "Public Record of Discipline and Pending Proceedings" taken against either Obama, the answer is "None" in both cases.

[antikristuseke]

But Frau Kaleun, these are facts, they have no place in civilized discussion of politics. Now repeat after me: "Shut up when you are talking to me."

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Disbarment and/or disciplinary action are a matter of public record... if only there were some quick and easy way to look these things up!

OH WAIT THERE IS.

The Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois, which maintains records of such things for Illinois attorneys, and provides the public with a convenient "search by name" function for looking up those records, shows that both Obamas are "voluntarily inactive" - which means only that they have let their licenses to practice lapse. This is not uncommon when an individual in a licensed profession no longer sees the point in paying the fees to maintain an active license, because he/she is no longer doing the kind of work that requires one (due to retirement, career change, or a myriad of other reasons).

When it comes to "Public Record of Discipline and Pending Proceedings" taken against either Obama, the answer is "None" in both cases.

Doesent change the fact that they are or were attournys. As far as I can tell that never practiced law and spent the vast majority of their time in 'community orginizer' positions.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Of course, in the United States it's possible to be TOO smart and educated for some people.

That is an observation and comment made by many German and European observers about the cabinet of Obama: cold intellectualism is not what Americans feel attracted by. They want to link up emotionally as well (that's why Reagan was so popular, he somewhat mirrors Obama). It is lioke that with many voters in many countries, bvut I think in the US it seems to be extreme due to the differences of the American interpretation of the presdiency. In a way, to Americans the US president always appeared to be a surrogate for the monarch they once rejected - and emotionally regret that they did until today.

Frequently, the clearly stupid/uneducated will win in an election. Is there ANY other industrialized country where this sort of thing happens?

Yes - in all of the Western ones. But most people just act more cleverly in hiding their intellectual deficits or underhanded intentions. America only is probably a bit more extreme again.

[Platapus]

Remember, two things have to occur for Obama not to be re-elected

1. The citizens need to be dissatisfied with Obama

2. The citizens need to be offered another candidate that offers a significant improvement (in their perception) over Obama.

Both of these has to occur. Remember 2004?

Number one may already be with us, but without a good number two (snicker), the GOP does not stand a chance.

If the GOP runs on the platform "I am not Obama" they will join Kerry in the long list of candidates unable to unseat the incumbent.

In political elections, the tie often goes to the incumbent.

[GoldenRivet]

so you are admitting that Obama's only hope is the lack of a suitable contender on the opposing side?

[Takeda Shingen]

There's no way that Team R puts up Palin. The stings of having her on a national ticket are in no way lost or forgotten by the party leadership. They'll pick a different sacrificial lamb for 2012 and continue to regroup for 2016.

[nikimcbee]

While I expect Obama to take a spanking in November,

What does Paul the oracle octopus say?

[SteamWake]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... Palin is not going to run for President. But you libs keep looking that way, that is the intention.