Perspective from a complete newbie :(

frau kaleun · 09-14-10, 04:26 PM

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I'll see if I can take a pic with my phone and email it to myself and post it.

Yes my phone takes crappy pictures. That's because it's a phone, not a camera, and a million-year-old hand-me-down phone at that.

The notebook lying open contains about 1/2 of the manual, printed out. The one behind it standing upright has the other half. The "stack" of pages you see filling the one notebook is about 2 1/2 inches high.

Sailor Steve · 09-14-10, 05:01 PM

Single or double-sided?

frau kaleun · 09-14-10, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Single or double-sided?

Each page is printed out on a separate sheet, but then I put each pair of consecutive pages back to back inside a clear plastic sleeve - makes it much easier to flip through and avoids having to punch holes in the pages which then get torn up with use and age and start to fall out of the notebook.

In theory I could've printed two pages per sheet of paper and used only half as much paper - but I still would've used the same number of sleeves. And I really didn't want to deal with trying to print on both sides, my printer's not set up for that unless I'm willing to print a small batch and then turn the same paper over and around and put it back through and given the number of pages involved, I wasn't willing to sit here and do that every few minutes.

Kpt. Lehmann · 09-14-10, 05:26 PM

TOTALLY jealous of you FK!

Still hoping I can afford to print myself a GWX manual one of these days!

frau kaleun · 09-14-10, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

TOTALLY jealous of you FK!

Still hoping I can afford to print myself a GWX manual one of these days!

I stopped counting after the second ink cartridge.

And anyway, I hear that whole "bread and water for 30 days" diet is really really good for you!

vanjast · 09-14-10, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Yoooouuuu are not serious... !!!!

frau kaleun · 09-14-10, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vanjast

Yoooouuuu are not serious... !!!!

644 pages.

Jimbuna · 09-15-10, 05:46 AM

Quite a Herculean effort if I may say so

Herr-Berbunch · 09-15-10, 05:47 AM

@Frau - It would probably have been cheaper, and quicker to nip down to your nearest PC store and buy a cheap laptop just for this one PDF, then you'd also have the advantage of Ctrl+F-ing (not being rude!) to search for something specific.

Otherwise

@Poetic Hunter - I did add my little caveat on the end of not wishing to cause offense (or words to that effect), and I'm sorry if it did sound a little harsh - people nowadays seem to want it all immediately and with subsims it's not just a shooting gallery but it takes time and effort. I was new too and it can be daunting! There is good advice in reading the manuals, written by users not publishers, and advice plastered all over this forum and I think I took your 'rant' (for want of a better word) to be slating my beloved

, once again - sorry

frau kaleun · 09-15-10, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

@Frau - It would probably have been cheaper, and quicker to nip down to your nearest PC store and buy a cheap laptop just for this one PDF, then you'd also have the advantage of Ctrl+F-ing (not being rude!) to search for something specific.

Lol, but the whole point of printing it out was so I could read it or search through it without having to go all squinty peering at a computer screen. I do that with anything that's more than a few pages long and which I know I'm going to want to look at repeatedly and to which I may want or need immediate and easy access. It's much easier on my eyes and far more convenient for me personally.

I have the stock game's manual (such as it is) and the Commander manual printed out for the exact same reason, in addition to a small collection of tipsheets and tutorials.

Herr-Berbunch · 09-15-10, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Lol, but the whole point of printing it out was so I could read it or search through it without having to go all squinty peering at a computer screen. I do that with anything that's more than a few pages long and which I know I'm going to want to look at repeatedly and to which I may want or need immediate and easy access. It's much easier on my eyes and far more convenient for me personally.

I have the stock game's manual (such as it is) and the Commander manual printed out for the exact same reason, in addition to a small collection of tipsheets and tutorials.

Do you have shares in HP/Xerox/Epson/etc...? A papermill? A forest?

I occasionally wish I had a printed copy to hand, but not enough to actually print it - not even at work!

frau kaleun · 09-15-10, 08:51 AM

Lol, what actually might've been cheaper would've been to take it somewhere like Kinko's or some similar service joint and let them print it. But I so rarely have a major print job at home that I didn't think about it.

JokerOfFate · 09-15-10, 07:16 AM

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Pocket sized!

I tried printing it and it jammed my printer

poetic hunter · 09-21-10, 12:28 AM

Apparently, my previous installation of SH3 was bugged , and I think that goes a long way to explain some of the frustrations I documented in this thread.

I recently re-installed SH3 and things are going much, much better this time around.

1. For the first time I actually encountered airpolanes on my patrol. I then saw a screen that gave me three options like: a) engage the enemy b) maintain current orders c) dive to periscope depth. This alone proves that my previous installation had to have been bugged because I NEVER saw that screen which gives you three options when you encounter an enemy.

2. I now detect ships that are actually there. In my previous installation, I would spend real-life hours upon hours going on patrol after patrol, and never once engaged in a proper fight. I would detect ships on my map screen, but these were almost always false alarms or phantom ships that weren't actually there.

This leads to number 3.

3. I realize that going over TC 256 messes up the enemy detection system on the map screen. This time I always stay below 256 TC on the map screen and I detect enemy aircrafts and ships just fine.

I don't know if it's just my compouter, but 256 time compression is the magic number. If I go above that speed, my enemy detection gets messed up which leads to phantom ships on my map that aren't actually there.

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I just had a very enjoyable battle with a huge cargo ship that survived two torpedoes. I had to finish her off with the deck gun. I never had an encounter like this on my previous installation, which again drives home the point that something was messed up somewhere.

I also watched Das Boot for the first time, and I'm really looking forward to playing some more. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like certain parts of SH 3 was directly inspired by that movie

?

Sailor Steve · 09-21-10, 12:45 AM

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I also watched Das Boot for the first time, and I'm really looking forward to playing some more.

Dang! I think I've watched the Uncut version at least four times a year since I bought it six years ago! And that's after watching the original on VHS over and over again, and the Director's Cut countless times in between!

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Maybe it's just me, but it seems like certain parts of SH 3 was directly inspired by that movie

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Certain parts of Aces Of The Deep, released sixteen years ago, were directly inspired by that movie.

09-14-10, 05:01 PM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Single or double-sided? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

09-14-10, 05:26 PM	#4
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,995 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	TOTALLY jealous of you FK! Still hoping I can afford to print myself a GWX manual one of these days! __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

09-15-10, 05:46 AM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,712 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Quite a Herculean effort if I may say so __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-15-10, 05:47 AM	#9
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	@Frau - It would probably have been cheaper, and quicker to nip down to your nearest PC store and buy a cheap laptop just for this one PDF, then you'd also have the advantage of Ctrl+F-ing (not being rude!) to search for something specific. Otherwise @Poetic Hunter - I did add my little caveat on the end of not wishing to cause offense (or words to that effect), and I'm sorry if it did sound a little harsh - people nowadays seem to want it all immediately and with subsims it's not just a shooting gallery but it takes time and effort. I was new too and it can be daunting! There is good advice in reading the manuals, written by users not publishers, and advice plastered all over this forum and I think I took your 'rant' (for want of a better word) to be slating my beloved , once again - sorry __________________

09-15-10, 08:51 AM	#12
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Lol, what actually might've been cheaper would've been to take it somewhere like Kinko's or some similar service joint and let them print it. But I so rarely have a major print job at home that I didn't think about it.

09-21-10, 12:28 AM	#14
poetic hunter Watch Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 24 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Apparently, my previous installation of SH3 was bugged , and I think that goes a long way to explain some of the frustrations I documented in this thread. I recently re-installed SH3 and things are going much, much better this time around. 1. For the first time I actually encountered airpolanes on my patrol. I then saw a screen that gave me three options like: a) engage the enemy b) maintain current orders c) dive to periscope depth. This alone proves that my previous installation had to have been bugged because I NEVER saw that screen which gives you three options when you encounter an enemy. 2. I now detect ships that are actually there. In my previous installation, I would spend real-life hours upon hours going on patrol after patrol, and never once engaged in a proper fight. I would detect ships on my map screen, but these were almost always false alarms or phantom ships that weren't actually there. This leads to number 3. 3. I realize that going over TC 256 messes up the enemy detection system on the map screen. This time I always stay below 256 TC on the map screen and I detect enemy aircrafts and ships just fine. I don't know if it's just my compouter, but 256 time compression is the magic number. If I go above that speed, my enemy detection gets messed up which leads to phantom ships on my map that aren't actually there. ---------------- I just had a very enjoyable battle with a huge cargo ship that survived two torpedoes. I had to finish her off with the deck gun. I never had an encounter like this on my previous installation, which again drives home the point that something was messed up somewhere. I also watched Das Boot for the first time, and I'm really looking forward to playing some more. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like certain parts of SH 3 was directly inspired by that movie ?