I was so very very close...

[Armistead]

Should we count the things you did wrong...

If you had 12 men killed, sounds like you left men on the DG, AA guns, ect.
You can't leave them there dived as the game still sees them on those stations and a charge will kill them. Place them in the alley or damage crew, but never load your sub with so many men you can't move them from the topside gun stations. If not on the DG, you were just too shallow and they scored a direct hit.

Early war you probably didn't have surface radar and your men have poorer skills. If you have a contact, don't use TC until you have everything figured out. They can hit you with a dozen shells before you get slowed down. Often you can see them, but your men can't.

Instead of fighting escorts at scope depth, I would've dived deep and evaded and saved my torps for the TF if a end around was possible. I'm sure they slowed when you were spotted. Very dangerous fighting multiple escorts, you set up on one the other blast you with a good run.

You didn't get phantom damage. No doubt while using some TC a escort made a run. Even 8% TC under battle you can die and the escort be long gone before you slow down. So with TC you got attacked and the DD had made his pass before you slowed down. It's also possible a plane made an attack on you, happens all the time.

Not sure how many skippers you had, I would think RFB limits officers and you would be very limited anyway at the start of the war.

That was a Kongo.......

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Should we count the things you did wrong...

If you had 12 men killed, sounds like you left men on the DG, AA guns, ect.
You can't leave them there dived as the game still sees them on those stations and a charge will kill them. Place them in the alley or damage crew, but never load your sub with so many men you can't move them from the topside gun stations. If not on the DG, you were just too shallow and they scored a direct hit.

Early war you probably didn't have surface radar and your men have poorer skills. If you have a contact, don't use TC until you have everything figured out. They can hit you with a dozen shells before you get slowed down. Often you can see them, but your men can't.

Instead of fighting escorts at scope depth, I would've dived deep and evaded and saved my torps for the TF if a end around was possible. I'm sure they slowed when you were spotted. Very dangerous fighting multiple escorts, you set up on one the other blast you with a good run.

You didn't get phantom damage. No doubt while using some TC a escort made a run. Even 8% TC under battle you can die and the escort be long gone before you slow down. So with TC you got attacked and the DD had made his pass before you slowed down. It's also possible a plane made an attack on you, happens all the time.

Not sure how many skippers you had, I would think RFB limits officers and you would be very limited anyway at the start of the war.

That was a Kongo.......

1: i read that the game auto placed them in the alley. and FYI, i didnt get DCed. my periscope bashed agains their ship, which still somehow kiled 12 men nd injured everybody else

2: they didnt attack me while on the surface. they tried shelling me at periscope depth.

3: i was planning to dive if it got way too rough. since they never DCed, i didnt dive.

4: this wasnt a run.if you had read more carefully, youdve seen that i said NO destroyers were even close. and besides i got 1 TC the second it started happening though. again, if you had actually read more carefully, you wouldve seen that instead of getting all the damage all at once likke you would in TC, this was gradual over 10 seconds. i heard SCRAPING sound, not any booms or dongs, like youd expect if i hit the ocean floor or get DCed, and again there werent any destroyers nearby. and since it was scraping, it meant that i was scarping against Metal. a look on the external cam showed NOTHING. therefore, this was phantom damage.

And to top it off, the dds never made a run on me.

4: i originally thought it was a kongo, but got it confused with the Fuso so that the ithought the kongo had 6 Dual main batteries instead of 4, therfor i ruled out the kongo.

but whats the other class of battleship? theres 2 jap battleship classes with 6 main batteries. It was the Fuso class and the...what?

[Armistead]

What confused me is you said

"i tced again and 1 minute later i get stopped and get reports of taking damage. it started out as one warning, then turned into multiple system hits. i heard Scraping noises of metal on metal, and i look in external and theres NOTHING near me. im not anywhere near shallow water, and no ship was near me. i just took a massive beating from "phantom" damage, which has been happening ALOT lately."

I assure you no mysterious ghost attacked your sub. Here you say you used TC and implies a minute or so into the TC it automatically came back down because of damage reports. You may not see it, but it's obvious you were attacked why using TC by either a ship or plane.



My bet it was a ship. Believe me in this game using TC why dd's are near will get you killed. You say nothing was near, but obvious you were in battle with DD's and they were around somewhere. This was an attack that happened, as damage just doesn't happen. Just because nothing was near after you came out of TC, doesn't mean it wasn't. Just think a DD making a run at just 12 kts, times 8TC, that could equal 96mph, so he could easily long be gone. It's happened to me many times. Usually I think I've escaped the DD and start using TC. THe DD may have been 3000 yards away, and then whamo, massive damage. Take a look around and the DD may then be a mile away.

You said no need to go dive, I assume you mean go deeper because they weren't dc'ing you. How do you know one won't? Don't trust that. 90% of the time they will and at scope depth you're usually a goner. That's testing fate...

You said this was happening to you a lot. Many complain of this mysterious damage, it simply is not, it's an attack by a plane or ship...

Only BB's I see in the SS are Kongo's...

.just trying to help ya...meant no offense and fight on.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Armistead

What confused me is you said

"i tced again and 1 minute later i get stopped and get reports of taking damage. it started out as one warning, then turned into multiple system hits. i heard Scraping noises of metal on metal, and i look in external and theres NOTHING near me. im not anywhere near shallow water, and no ship was near me. i just took a massive beating from "phantom" damage, which has been happening ALOT lately."

I assure you no mysterious ghost attacked your sub. Here you say you used TC and implies a minute or so into the TC it automatically came back down because of damage reports. You may not see it, but it's obvious you were attacked why using TC by either a ship or plane.



My bet it was a ship. Believe me in this game using TC why dd's are near will get you killed. You say nothing was near, but obvious you were in battle with DD's and they were around somewhere. This was an attack that happened, as damage just doesn't happen. Just because nothing was near after you came out of TC, doesn't mean it wasn't. Just think a DD making a run at just 12 kts, times 8TC, that could equal 96mph, so he could easily long be gone. It's happened to me many times. Usually I think I've escaped the DD and start using TC. THe DD may have been 3000 yards away, and then whamo, massive damage. Take a look around and the DD may then be a mile away.

You said no need to go dive, I assume you mean go deeper because they weren't dc'ing you. How do you know one won't? Don't trust that. 90% of the time they will and at scope depth you're usually a goner. That's testing fate...

You said this was happening to you a lot. Many complain of this mysterious damage, it simply is not, it's an attack by a plane or ship...

Only BB's I see in the SS are Kongo's...

.just trying to help ya...meant no offense and fight on.

im telling you there wasnt any destroyers. i sunk 3 and the last one was around 8000 METERs (not yards, mind you) and traveling in circles. all other dds were staying in formation. also you cant explain the scraping noises i heard AS i recieved the damage. and also why i took the first damage, then there was a 5 second interval between getting more damage WHILE i heard scraping.

[Armistead]

It was either a DD or a ghost or your game files are fubar ? You'll have to decide.


You get all kinds of sounds when damage is taking place during and after. Usually you get damaged and as more things go wrong, you can hear scraping, banging, hissing as your ship takes more damage. How deep were you...could've been a plane, but I don't think RFB has those deadly TMO planes that can hit you deep. Did you see any planes around?

The issue is, people say this happens alot, most newer players loading harder mods. This is a common complaint, but their are no known bugs that cause this. A few facts are always the same, TC was being used and escorts are in the contact zone....Understand a lot of time can pass using even low TC, crank it up to even the 40's and that's enough time for a DD to sink you and be gone. By the time your PC has read all of that and slowed down enough to give you the damage messages a lot of time has gone by. Another factor is your PC specs and how fast your PC can read and process info.

I've run into mines, but you don't hear them scraping in the game, but mines are rare and you said this happens alot.

If you're sure this is phantom damage happening on it's own, then it can only be one thing, you have mod soup or bad files, but I've never heard of this bug, not that it may not be out there.

Good luck..

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Armistead

It was either a DD or a ghost or your game files are fubar ? You'll have to decide.


You get all kinds of sounds when damage is taking place during and after. Usually you get damaged and as more things go wrong, you can hear scraping, banging, hissing as your ship takes more damage. How deep were you...could've been a plane, but I don't think RFB has those deadly TMO planes that can hit you deep. Did you see any planes around?

The issue is, people say this happens alot, most newer players loading harder mods. This is a common complaint, but their are no known bugs that cause this. A few facts are always the same, TC was being used and escorts are in the contact zone....Understand a lot of time can pass using even low TC, crank it up to even the 40's and that's enough time for a DD to sink you and be gone. By the time your PC has read all of that and slowed down enough to give you the damage messages a lot of time has gone by. Another factor is your PC specs and how fast your PC can read and process info.

I've run into mines, but you don't hear them scraping in the game, but mines are rare and you said this happens alot.

If you're sure this is phantom damage happening on it's own, then it can only be one thing, you have mod soup or bad files, but I've never heard of this bug, not that it may not be out there.

Good luck..

i never said a ghost. i said phantom damage, as in coming from nowhere.

and to clear it up, i didnt mean a minute in real time, i meant a minute Game time. x64 TC is a minute per real second, and i went x8 so thats Eight seconds per minute game time.

there were NO destroyers near to me that couldve come near, dced me, and gotten that far away in 1 minute. so that rules THAt out. there were NO planes, plus we were in the middle of Nowhere. so planes are out. No mines either. i was at periscope depth with over 1000m of ocean below me. this was caused by NOTHING.

and also, sorry to have mislead you, but i didnt mean THIS particular event happens alot. i have been getting bow tube "phantom" damage. of course i think i really did recieve damage, but the systems tab didnt show it. i accidentally bashed into a docking prong, and back up, taking a few systems damage. NOT my bow tubes, according to the system tab. i reverse and try to fire my tubes, all were "too damaged". however this particular anomaly has happened once

[Armistead]

No doubt you can get bow damage and have your tubes totally destroyed and often it will clear out on the damage board, but tubes still destroyed.

You say the damage wasn't serious, do you remember how deep you were and where you were? Very possible it was a plane. You said multiple system damage, but not major, it's possible if you lost your scopes that you lost some other top equipment. I've lost air radar before and not known it and next thing I know why at scope depth with radar up, I get blasted out of the water by planes. How do you know it wasn't a mine. Did you have the cam on your ship when it happened?

Not trying to be an arse with you Cap, just saying you were attacked by something. In this game it's not possible for damage just to happen on it's own, there is a cause, plane, ship, hitting ground, mine, ect...

The only other possibility is you had damage and went too deep. Depends on the boat, but I know RFB use to use more realistic depths, so with minor damage that would limit you even more. You cross that point then one system after the other fails, but I assume you've died this way before and would know how it acts.

Before, I thought this was a major on going issue for you, since it's not, I don't know that I would fret about it. Course I know nothing of RFB, you may want to post there if this becomes a ongoing problem. You may have found a bug not yet found by anyone.