I was so very very close...

[Armistead]

It was either a DD or a ghost or your game files are fubar ? You'll have to decide.


You get all kinds of sounds when damage is taking place during and after. Usually you get damaged and as more things go wrong, you can hear scraping, banging, hissing as your ship takes more damage. How deep were you...could've been a plane, but I don't think RFB has those deadly TMO planes that can hit you deep. Did you see any planes around?

The issue is, people say this happens alot, most newer players loading harder mods. This is a common complaint, but their are no known bugs that cause this. A few facts are always the same, TC was being used and escorts are in the contact zone....Understand a lot of time can pass using even low TC, crank it up to even the 40's and that's enough time for a DD to sink you and be gone. By the time your PC has read all of that and slowed down enough to give you the damage messages a lot of time has gone by. Another factor is your PC specs and how fast your PC can read and process info.

I've run into mines, but you don't hear them scraping in the game, but mines are rare and you said this happens alot.

If you're sure this is phantom damage happening on it's own, then it can only be one thing, you have mod soup or bad files, but I've never heard of this bug, not that it may not be out there.

Good luck..

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Armistead

It was either a DD or a ghost or your game files are fubar ? You'll have to decide.


You get all kinds of sounds when damage is taking place during and after. Usually you get damaged and as more things go wrong, you can hear scraping, banging, hissing as your ship takes more damage. How deep were you...could've been a plane, but I don't think RFB has those deadly TMO planes that can hit you deep. Did you see any planes around?

The issue is, people say this happens alot, most newer players loading harder mods. This is a common complaint, but their are no known bugs that cause this. A few facts are always the same, TC was being used and escorts are in the contact zone....Understand a lot of time can pass using even low TC, crank it up to even the 40's and that's enough time for a DD to sink you and be gone. By the time your PC has read all of that and slowed down enough to give you the damage messages a lot of time has gone by. Another factor is your PC specs and how fast your PC can read and process info.

I've run into mines, but you don't hear them scraping in the game, but mines are rare and you said this happens alot.

If you're sure this is phantom damage happening on it's own, then it can only be one thing, you have mod soup or bad files, but I've never heard of this bug, not that it may not be out there.

Good luck..

i never said a ghost. i said phantom damage, as in coming from nowhere.

and to clear it up, i didnt mean a minute in real time, i meant a minute Game time. x64 TC is a minute per real second, and i went x8 so thats Eight seconds per minute game time.

there were NO destroyers near to me that couldve come near, dced me, and gotten that far away in 1 minute. so that rules THAt out. there were NO planes, plus we were in the middle of Nowhere. so planes are out. No mines either. i was at periscope depth with over 1000m of ocean below me. this was caused by NOTHING.

and also, sorry to have mislead you, but i didnt mean THIS particular event happens alot. i have been getting bow tube "phantom" damage. of course i think i really did recieve damage, but the systems tab didnt show it. i accidentally bashed into a docking prong, and back up, taking a few systems damage. NOT my bow tubes, according to the system tab. i reverse and try to fire my tubes, all were "too damaged". however this particular anomaly has happened once

[Armistead]

No doubt you can get bow damage and have your tubes totally destroyed and often it will clear out on the damage board, but tubes still destroyed.

You say the damage wasn't serious, do you remember how deep you were and where you were? Very possible it was a plane. You said multiple system damage, but not major, it's possible if you lost your scopes that you lost some other top equipment. I've lost air radar before and not known it and next thing I know why at scope depth with radar up, I get blasted out of the water by planes. How do you know it wasn't a mine. Did you have the cam on your ship when it happened?

Not trying to be an arse with you Cap, just saying you were attacked by something. In this game it's not possible for damage just to happen on it's own, there is a cause, plane, ship, hitting ground, mine, ect...

The only other possibility is you had damage and went too deep. Depends on the boat, but I know RFB use to use more realistic depths, so with minor damage that would limit you even more. You cross that point then one system after the other fails, but I assume you've died this way before and would know how it acts.

Before, I thought this was a major on going issue for you, since it's not, I don't know that I would fret about it. Course I know nothing of RFB, you may want to post there if this becomes a ongoing problem. You may have found a bug not yet found by anyone.

[WernherVonTrapp]

I remember experimenting alot w/external cam when I was playing the stock version. I was trying to learn how the game behaves under various circumstances. One conclusion I came to was that, it's not a good idea for me to TC while any DDs are approaching. I could never resolve why the game behaved the way it did but I noticed that, at TC, for some reason, the incidence of detection by the DDs was increased, even though I had taken all precautions (silent running, no damage control team working, etc.). These experiments often involved saving and replaying the same scenario several times under varying conditions.
As a result, I never TC now when a TF or convoy is first detected. I remember in one scenario, I think it was during the convoy practice mission, I sank quite a few of the merchants, slithered away by the skin of my teeth and once I was (should've been) far enough to stop worrying about the DDs, (somewhere in the vicinity of 9000yds away) I TCed and immediately had the DDs zero-in on my exact location and promptly destroy my boat. Never did figure out how they accomplished that after I managed to gain all that distance undetected.
I don't know if these dynamics carry over into any of the mods but as a rule of thumb (or was it wrist -Boondock Saints), I just don't TC anymore while in the proximity of DDs.
BTW, you external cammed about 12nm? That had to take quite some time, no? I've done the same thing on occasion (though not quite 12nm) but gave up on it due to the time it takes at distance.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

I remember experimenting alot w/external cam when I was playing the stock version. I was trying to learn how the game behaves under various circumstances. One conclusion I came to was that, it's not a good idea for me to TC while any DDs are approaching. I could never resolve why the game behaved the way it did but I noticed that, at TC, for some reason, the incidence of detection by the DDs was increased, even though I had taken all precautions (silent running, no damage control team working, etc.). These experiments often involved saving and replaying the same scenario several times under varying conditions.
As a result, I never TC now when a TF or convoy is first detected. I remember in one scenario, I think it was during the convoy practice mission, I sank quite a few of the merchants, slithered away by the skin of my teeth and once I was (should've been) far enough to stop worrying about the DDs, (somewhere in the vicinity of 9000yds away) I TCed and immediately had the DDs zero-in on my exact location and promptly destroy my boat. Never did figure out how they accomplished that after I managed to gain all that distance undetected.
I don't know if these dynamics carry over into any of the mods but as a rule of thumb (or was it wrist -Boondock Saints), I just don't TC anymore while in the proximity of DDs.
BTW, you external cammed about 12nm? That had to take quite some time, no? I've done the same thing on occasion (though not quite 12nm) but gave up on it due to the time it takes at distance.

pressing SHift+move helps alot with the time it takes.

[Armistead]

I don't know. If you're sure it wasn't a ship, plane, mine, running around, what do you think caused the damage? The only choice is your game files are fubar, but I've never heard of such a bug.

I don't know of anything else to help you figure it out, but if you ever do let us know.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

pressing SHift+move helps alot with the time it takes.

Ahh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the tip, Cap.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

Ahh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the tip, Cap.

no problem

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Armistead

No doubt you can get bow damage and have your tubes totally destroyed and often it will clear out on the damage board, but tubes still destroyed.

You say the damage wasn't serious, do you remember how deep you were and where you were? Very possible it was a plane. You said multiple system damage, but not major, it's possible if you lost your scopes that you lost some other top equipment. I've lost air radar before and not known it and next thing I know why at scope depth with radar up, I get blasted out of the water by planes. How do you know it wasn't a mine. Did you have the cam on your ship when it happened?

Not trying to be an arse with you Cap, just saying you were attacked by something. In this game it's not possible for damage just to happen on it's own, there is a cause, plane, ship, hitting ground, mine, ect...

The only other possibility is you had damage and went too deep. Depends on the boat, but I know RFB use to use more realistic depths, so with minor damage that would limit you even more. You cross that point then one system after the other fails, but I assume you've died this way before and would know how it acts.

Before, I thought this was a major on going issue for you, since it's not, I don't know that I would fret about it. Course I know nothing of RFB, you may want to post there if this becomes a ongoing problem. You may have found a bug not yet found by anyone.

Im telling you this was no plane. and we were literally utoin the middle of nowhere, so mines would be astronomical.i was at Periscope depth, about 18M. we were so remotely far into the ocean that plane would also be VERY VERY unlikely. Mainly because it means there would have to a plane nearby RIGHT then, and itd also have to coordinate attacks with destroyers on pretty much my last known position. since there werent any destroyers near me, the nearest being about 8000m away and me going at ahead 2/3, that their sonar would have a pretty slim chance of finding me actively.