Is it possible to sail through the Panama Canal during the time they are neutral - Page 2

U777 · 09-05-10, 02:42 PM

Are the locks modeled? GWX manual just mentioned a dam but not the locks.

Gerald · 09-05-10, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by U777

Are the locks modeled? GWX manual just mentioned a dam but not the locks.

if you mean Suez, there are no locks, only two small lakes before you go in to Rea Sea and after that 2-3 days before you reach Gulf von Aden.And if you mean Panama I have no information on which locks,or if they have it,

Jimbuna · 09-05-10, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by U777

Are the locks modeled? GWX manual just mentioned a dam but not the locks.

There are no locks modelled in either Suez or Panama.

Gerald · 09-05-10, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

There are no locks modelled in either Suez or Panama.

where there is even if they are neutral,

Jimbuna · 09-05-10, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

where there is even if they are neutral,

Yes, there are a/s nets but no 'locks' like those in some of the French ports.

Gerald · 09-05-10, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Yes, there are a/s nets but no 'locks' like those in some of the French ports.

the a/s nets are they in vater level,so you can pass surface or are they a bit under,

Tessa · 09-05-10, 07:22 PM

To try and model the locks on the Panama canal would be murder, there's tons of em. Then you'd have to wait for the next lock to either rise or lower to the appropriate height so that you could go through, not something that you can do quickly. If you were trying to sneak in under a ship it would have to be one with a really shallow draft otherwise would risk getting crushed on the locks that lower the water level.

Awhile back someone asked the same question and response was as I mentioned before (about the Panama canal being open until US enters war), albeit that was either 2.0 or 2.1? Noticed in 3.0 that there seem to be a lot more subnets than I remember in 2.1.

Panama canal is wide enough for a supertanker, compared to a submarine its like a lifeboat in size comparison. Any sized u-boat would easily fit through the canal. Prior to the outbreak of war the US wouldn't have had any legal reason to keep German ships from using it, once the war started and the US finally embargoed Germany; while the US was neutral it would've stopped any German ships from entering.

09-06-10, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No, it is not in the stock game. It is in GWX (and every other supermod), but it was originally created as a stand-alone mod, along with Kiel and Suez, but was quickly adapted for the supermods.

Thanks, Steve.

Gerald · 09-06-10, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tessa

To try and model the locks on the Panama canal would be murder, there's tons of em. Then you'd have to wait for the next lock to either rise or lower to the appropriate height so that you could go through, not something that you can do quickly. If you were trying to sneak in under a ship it would have to be one with a really shallow draft otherwise would risk getting crushed on the locks that lower the water level.

Awhile back someone asked the same question and response was as I mentioned before (about the Panama canal being open until US enters war), albeit that was either 2.0 or 2.1? Noticed in 3.0 that there seem to be a lot more subnets than I remember in 2.1.

Panama canal is wide enough for a supertanker, compared to a submarine its like a lifeboat in size comparison. Any sized u-boat would easily fit through the canal. Prior to the outbreak of war the US wouldn't have had any legal reason to keep German ships from using it, once the war started and the US finally embargoed Germany; while the US was neutral it would've stopped any German ships from entering.

views are the locks, but as Mr.Jim says, there are no locks, there is only one way to find out,thanks for your basic information!

09-06-10, 07:20 AM

Personaly, I've no intention of getting close enough to learn first hand.
So I'll just keep on reading here.

Jimbuna · 09-06-10, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

views are the locks, but as Mr.Jim says, there are no locks, there is only one way to find out,thanks for your basic information!

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

Personaly, I've no intention of getting close enough to learn first hand.
So I'll just keep on reading here.

Let me ty and clarify the position for everyone...

There are no locks at Panama or Suez ingame but in RL (and I sailed through them many years ago whilst in the merchant navy) there are numerous locks at Panama only, there is an area at Suez called the Bitter Lakes where the north bound and southbound traffic crossover because the canal is not wide enough for more than one ship column.

In picture 1 we can see the land units which consist of coastal bunkers and AA defences.

Those at Colon (1) are rendered from 1st Jan 1938, whilst those south of Colon (2) appear 1st Oct 1941 and those in the south (3) appear between 1st Oct 1940 and 1st Oct 1941.

Picture 1

In picture 2 we can see the sub nets, all are rendered on 1st Oct 1941 and are situated 2 metres below the waters surface.

It may be possible to cross them at high speed whilst surfaced but you then run the risk of being impaled on top of one or being spotted and fired upon by the shore installations....the question of realism is down to the individual.

Picture 2

09-06-10, 08:02 AM

@Jimbuna
Thanks. Your picture is as close to seeing it, as I'll ever get.
I find this "stuff" super interesting but, as in the real world, stay far away from it all in-game.

Jimbuna · 09-06-10, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

@Jimbuna
Thanks. Your picture is as close to seeing it, as I'll ever get.
I find this "stuff" super interesting but, as in the real world, stay far away from it all in-game.

Rgr that matey

Gerald · 09-06-10, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Let me ty and clarify the position for everyone...

There are no locks at Panama or Suez ingame but in RL (and I sailed through them many years ago whilst in the merchant navy) there are numerous locks at Panama only, there is an area at Suez called the Bitter Lakes where the north bound and southbound traffic crossover because the canal is not wide enough for more than one ship column.

In picture 1 we can see the land units which consist of coastal bunkers and AA defences.

Those at Colon (1) are rendered from 1st Jan 1938, whilst those south of Colon (2) appear 1st Oct 1941 and those in the south (3) appear between 1st Oct 1940 and 1st Oct 1941.

Picture 1

In picture 2 we can see the sub nets, all are rendered on 1st Oct 1941 and are situated 2 metres below the waters surface.

It may be possible to cross them at high speed whilst surfaced but you then run the risk of being impaled on top of one or being spotted and fired upon by the shore installations....the question of realism is down to the individual.

Picture 2

thanks for the valuable information,and images

Jimbuna · 09-06-10, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

thanks for the valuable information,and images

Your welcome my friend

09-05-10, 02:42 PM	#16
U777 Medic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 159 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Are the locks modeled? GWX manual just mentioned a dam but not the locks.

09-05-10, 07:22 PM	#22
Tessa Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CG 96 Posts: 861 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	To try and model the locks on the Panama canal would be murder, there's tons of em. Then you'd have to wait for the next lock to either rise or lower to the appropriate height so that you could go through, not something that you can do quickly. If you were trying to sneak in under a ship it would have to be one with a really shallow draft otherwise would risk getting crushed on the locks that lower the water level. Awhile back someone asked the same question and response was as I mentioned before (about the Panama canal being open until US enters war), albeit that was either 2.0 or 2.1? Noticed in 3.0 that there seem to be a lot more subnets than I remember in 2.1. Panama canal is wide enough for a supertanker, compared to a submarine its like a lifeboat in size comparison. Any sized u-boat would easily fit through the canal. Prior to the outbreak of war the US wouldn't have had any legal reason to keep German ships from using it, once the war started and the US finally embargoed Germany; while the US was neutral it would've stopped any German ships from entering.

09-06-10, 07:20 AM	#25
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Personaly, I've no intention of getting close enough to learn first hand. So I'll just keep on reading here.

09-06-10, 08:02 AM	#27
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	@Jimbuna Thanks. Your picture is as close to seeing it, as I'll ever get. I find this "stuff" super interesting but, as in the real world, stay far away from it all in-game.