TO ALL MODERATORS SH3 and SH5

[Cukier]

Please, no put sfasticas in the games. Its nazi symbol.

Remember: Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka...

[THE_MASK]

I remember , thank you .

[Subnuts]

After we remove the Battle Flag of the Confederacy from every Civil War game, the Rising Sun emblem from every Pacific Theater game, the Sickle and Hammer from every Cold War game, the Union Jack from every game that takes place during the height of the British Empire, the... well, you get the picture.

[raymond6751]

It is good to be reminded of what the Nazi symbols mean.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

When I first played SH I was a bit uneasy playing as part of the Nazi regime. But it was a game and I felt confident enough to know what that meant. I am as anti-nazi as you can get but I'm also a historial buff. That symbol reminds me of the dangers and crimes associated with it.

Originally Posted by Cukier

Please, no put sfasticas in the games. Its nazi symbol.

Remember: Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka...

Not discussing and remembering what happend during those days will make us forget. And that is the real danger, not showing symbols. Symbols usually don't kill or torture people.

If you hide everything and put it under a cloak of shadows, all you get will be misinformation and a subculture praising what they assume has happened then. So your only chance is not to hide anything, but show it and inform about it.

So, don't blame the symbols, blame the people who did this and the ones who allowed this to happen.
I am not feeling as a nazi when i see a swastika, nor do i feel any moment in myself to go out and kill someone. Can't see why a symbol should rise such feelings.

Greetings from germany,
KarlKoch

[Dowly]

About time we had one of these threads again.

[Kromus]

Actually, it`s an eastern religious symbol of prosperity, luck and happiness(buddhism, hinduism etc, you can see it on Buddha statues) which nazi only used for their propaganda/regime...

[reaper7]

Originally Posted by Kromus

Actually, it`s an eastern religious symbol of prosperity, luck and happiness(buddhism, hinduism etc, you can see it on Buddha statues) which nazi only used for their propaganda/regime...

Exactly, that symbol goes a lot further back in history before there was even a Germany. Maybe we should remove bullets from games too, how many people do they kill.

[Jimbuna]

There should be no problem or issue provided people adhere to the understanding/perception that they are playing a computer based game with a WWII U-boat theme.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by KarlKoch

Not discussing and remembering what happend during those days will make us forget. And that is the real danger, not showing symbols. Symbols usually don't kill or torture people.

If you hide everything and put it under a cloak of shadows, all you get will be misinformation and a subculture praising what they assume has happened then. So your only chance is not to hide anything, but show it and inform about it.

So, don't blame the symbols, blame the people who did this and the ones who allowed this to happen.
I am not feeling as a nazi when i see a swastika, nor do i feel any moment in myself to go out and kill someone. Can't see why a symbol should rise such feelings.

Greetings from germany,
KarlKoch

[mauriga]

Originally Posted by Cukier

Please, no put sfasticas in the games. Its nazi symbol.

Remember: Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka...

So we should ask to a director making a WWII movie to avoid to use the original german flags?

Pls, avoid us your rhetoric speech.
I really hate nazism and fascism (I'm italian).
I only want play a realistic WWII game.

mauriga

[Abd_von_Mumit]

Originally Posted by Cukier

Please, no put sfasticas in the games. Its nazi symbol.

Remember: Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka...

It's almost always better to refrain from telling others what or how they should do or not do.

I understand you play SH5. Now you ask others to remove svastikas from this game, because they symbolize death camps. I understand you may take death camps personally, as you're Polish, possibly some of your family members died there. But then... how come you don't have a problem with playing a game where you become a soldier of a nazi regime, commander of a nazi boat in a nazi navy?

And if you don't have a problem about being a soldier of a nazi regime... how come you have a problem with a svastika?

So my conclusion is as follows: Do as you like. If you don't want svastikas, don't install mods that add them. If you don't want to feel like a nazi, don't take part in a nazi war. If you don't care, don't care. But don't tell me what's better for me, using emotional blackmail for this.

PS. Asking for no svastikas when playing an U-Boot commander is like asking for your plate of meats not to be called "meats" but "alternative vegetables" instead - because slaughter houses are so cruel places.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Cukier

Please, no put sfasticas in the games. Its nazi symbol.

Remember: Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka...

BTW, why is it that it's OK to role-play furthering the German war effort (and everything that means), but not OK to role-play helping Germany do what Germany did in WW2 with the proper flags?

Are you suggesting it is somehow less offensive to imagine yourself prolonging the war (and hence German body-count) as long as there is no flag around? The u-boat itself is a symbol of the war to anyone with half a clue.

If a flag offends you, my suggestion would be not to role play the Navy that fought to prolong that agenda.

[Nufsed]

Originally Posted by Abd_von_Mumit

It's almost always better to refrain from telling others what or how they should do or not do.

I understand you play SH5. Now you ask others to remove svastikas from this game, because they symbolize death camps. I understand you may take death camps personally, as you're Polish, possibly some of your family members died there. But then... how come you don't have a problem with playing a game where you become a soldier of a nazi regime, commander of a nazi boat in a nazi navy?

And if you don't have a problem about being a soldier of a nazi regime... how come you have a problem with a svastika?

So my conclusion is as follows: Do as you like. If you don't want svastikas, don't install mods that add them. If you don't want to feel like a nazi, don't take part in a nazi war. If you don't care, don't care. But don't tell me what's better for me, using emotional blackmail for this.

PS. Asking for no svastikas when playing an U-Boot commander is like asking for your plate of meats not to be called "meats" but "alternative vegetables" instead - because slaughter houses are so cruel places.

Could not have put it better.