Dixie

[Sailor Steve]

Uh-huh. I apologize for that. Now please try to address my links, and the question of which version is the more original.

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[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

I haven't rolled over and died. lol.

No, but your argument has.

[frau kaleun]

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[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

My buddie Takeda Shingen.

What argument? My original post stands for all to judge. Now I'm the target?

Who's attacking you? I thought we were talking about Dixie. I also thought that Steve clearly refuted your arguement and backed it with sound facts. I am sorry if you feel personally insulted by that.

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[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

I don't consider wiki as fact. do you? If so than I won't expect any refutement in the future.

Also like I told Mr. Steve, I leave it to the membership to make judgement, is that so wrong?

He posted numerous non-wiki links. And, as part of the membership, I made a judgement.

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[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Do I threaten the ideas of so many on Subsim that I am the Sarah Palin of this board?

If so I bow for the attention, and wonder why?

I don't feel threatened by you. No one does. You just seem to take great offense whenever someone disagrees with you. One of the basic tenents of the web is that if you can't handle having your views challenged, you probably shouldn't post them on an internet forum.

One of Steve's complaints was that you make an assertation and then command others to refute it. Unfortunately, that is not how any discussion works. I can claim that zebras are blue and orange striped. It is my assertation. The burden of proof is on me. To do anything less is simply conducting a dishonest process, which people will resent.

Oh, and for the record, Wikipedia is credible enough to serve as source on an internet forum. Forums are like taverns, not lecture halls; you don't do hard research on one, and if you are looking for it then you are in the wrong place.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

I was asking because one struck me as being very much directed toward adults of the time and the other was sanitised for adult children in a PC world.

That comment is what started this, not anything I said. It was an obvious challenge to anyone to disagree with you, and at the same time a dismissal of anyone who would. Are you now hiding from the debate you started, or are you unable to answer my other links. I've seen this before - make a claim, and when someone makes an attempt to refute it hide behind innuendo and redirection.

I've gone beyond Wiki, so an attack in that direction is no longer valid. Can you discuss the other links? My point as to which version came first, and which is the change, still stands.

So, rather than assume what I would say if the discussion were about something else, please address my original comment on which version came first. That was your original point, wasn't it?

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[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

I can think of a few members who should bear the same burden. Yet it's the new guy who is called troll and attacked for views which are contrary to the board ordinary.

And once again that particular style seems familiar.

You aren't called troll and attacked for "views which are contrary to the board ordinary." You are called troll for redirecting threads to suit an agenda and for avoiding honest debate.

And can you show an actual attack in this thread, or any other. Someone pointing out that your arguments are devious is not an attack; it's an observation. I have addressed your comments, and you have responded with dismissals of sources without addressing the references contained within those sources, and refusal to address the other sources provided.

Honest debate is welcome. But show me where you have engaged in honest debate.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

Your ideas are no more correct than mine. Stop being a bully.

I didn't say they were. I presented an argument, which you are still avoiding. How does asking for an honest answer make me a bully?