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The Third Man 08-20-10 09:03 PM

Dixie
 
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Sailor Steve 08-21-10 12:24 AM

Neither. These guys play period instruments, and make you feel like you're there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbRqc0fowoY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrFRn0CVigs

Jimbuna 08-21-10 01:39 AM

Listening to those songs reminded me of that Clint Eastwood film (don't recall the title) when those Yankees went on the Missouri boat ride...the ferryman didn't know which song to sing events were happening so fast :DL

Sailor Steve 08-21-10 01:08 PM

The Outlaw Josey Wales. One of the very few Eastwood movies I have in my collection.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075029/

Jimbuna 08-21-10 02:39 PM

Yep that's the one Steve....with Bill McKinney playing commander Captain "Redlegs" Terrill :sunny:

The Third Man 08-21-10 10:56 PM

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Sailor Steve 08-21-10 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man (Post 1473979)
I was asking because one struck me as being very much directed toward adults of the time and the other was sanitised for adult children in a PC world.

Your own bias is showing. The problem with your two examples is that the "sanitized" version is much closer to the 1859 original. The military version was written later, to support the Southern cause. Has nothing to do with PC or "adult children", as you so condescendingly put it.

The first one is indeed cleaned up from the original, whose semi-lecherous second verse is included in the version I linked to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_(song)

The Third Man 08-21-10 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1473990)
The problem with your two examples is that the "sanitized" version is much closer to the 1859 original. The military version was written later, to support the Southern cause. Has nothing to do with PC or "adult children", as you so condescendingly put it.


Did you get that information from wiki? We all know its accuracy is suspect. I'm asking folks to make a judgement not believe a wiki link.

And now you have scewed the opinions of those who believe you some kind of historian. blah.

Sailor Steve 08-21-10 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Third Man (Post 1473994)
Did you get that information from wiki? We all know its accuracy is suspect. I'm asking folks to make a judgement not believe a wiki link.

And now you have scewed the opinions of those who believe you some kind of historian. blah.

Quickest and simplest. And you can trust Wiki if you be sure to check their references, and he cites more than thirty. A pat retort is almost as bad as your original baiting. Did you post that for an honest opinion, or to start another "Southern is best, and anyone who denies it is PC" thread?

The Third Man 08-21-10 11:33 PM

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Sailor Steve 08-21-10 11:34 PM

http://www.civilwarhome.com/dixieorigin.htm
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/...xie/index.html
http://www.trivia-library.com/a/orig...dixie-land.htm
http://nativeground.com/articles/88-...ne-erbsen.html
http://historymatters.gmu.edu/mse/songs/model.html

All internet sources are suspect up to a point, and the origin story itself is suspect, but one point is clear: The song was first played in public in New York on April 4, 1859, far predating your military versions.


Here's one just for you:
http://usads.ms11.net/dixie.html

Sailor Steve 08-21-10 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man (Post 1474002)
Your cynicism concerning my reasons for the question can only come from a person who dislikes the question. And will try to impune the questioner for having a different hypothisis. Scientific theory only works if you allow the question.

I don't dislike the question at all - only the questionable way in which it was asked. My cynicism is based on your own words. Honest debaters and questioners don't ascribe motives ("PC") to people who disagree with their theories before the debate has even begun. Your tactics smack of trolling, and are extremely similar to those of other recent debates involving the Civil War era.

The Third Man 08-21-10 11:45 PM

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Sailor Steve 08-21-10 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man (Post 1474014)
Next youu are going to say Lincoln's executive order freeing the slaves in states in rebellion was something other than keeping France and Britain out of the war on the southern side.

Or, that all southerners were slave holders. Or, Republicans were the ones who filibustered the 1965 civil rights act.

But I appreciate your views, however wrong they may be.

So your whole point really was to launch another Civil War thread? If you wanted that, you could have been honest and said so.

But here's a question: What did I say that has anything to to with this particular statement? I point out that you're wrong about the two versions of the song, and that your blaming PC for it is in error, and your reply is to launch into an assumption of what I'm going to say? Why not continue debating your original question, if that's what you truly wanted?

The Third Man 08-21-10 11:54 PM

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