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Old 08-18-10, 10:44 PM   #4
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No. The movies are just that, the movies, particuarlly when it comes to WW2 technology.

The only time a submarine is able to sink another submarine, in game, or in real life as far as WW2 goes, is when sub A is able to get detect, and approach undetected, Sub B. At which point Sub A will attack Sub B, like any other surfaced ship. If Sub B detects Sub A before it can attack and submerges, the fight is basically over.

Now, "just like what we see in the movies", ... U-571 comes to mind. Here's the problem with the submerged duel scene.

Our entreped hero's only know the attacking sub's relative bearing. It was a sonar contact only. As most here know, historically, attacking by sonar bearings alone didn't really work. What was missing was:
The other uboats:
- speed
- EXACT bearing,
- Angle on the bow, and relative course he was travelling.

On top of that, they'd also need one addtional piece of info.
-Depth.

In U571, they had not one piece of that information, other then a relative sound bearing. In the real world, there is no way those fish would have hit like they did in the movie.

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The best anology for a WW2 "sub duel" is to blind fold two men, give them each a baseball bat, put them in a dark room 20feet by 20 feet in dimensions, and have them *TRY* and hit each other.
well, so what? they fired a spread. they knew they where *around* 90 degrees to the S boat so they turned 90 degrees and fired a spread of 4 torpedos. instinctively the uboat turned, and in the process accidentally slid their conning tower into the incoming torpedo. they also assumed they were at periscope depth, and they themselves were at periscope depth.

its not IMPOSSIBLE, just HIGHLY HIGHLY improbable with 1 torpedo. a spread makes the chances a little better, but still like you said theyhas a VERY high chance of missing. plus, if the american uboat's torpedo didnt hit te other one, theydve been forced to do a 180 and fire a stern shot that wouldve had a 99% of missing. then they wouldve been at a stalemate so to speak. loading torps takes quite a while, and if they both stayed up there rather then 1 plunging below periscope depth then it wouldve led to them both being at a stalemate. until they surfaced, then theyd have a deck gun war which the other uboat wouldve won.

but its a movie........
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