Church plans Qur'an burning

[Skybird]

Sure, sure , it's all a question of "interpretation" what essentially leaves little room of interpretation. The evil lies in the eye of the beholder only.

Just compare the state in which Islamic societies are, regarding tolerance and multiculturalism, and Christian ones. compare to what degree Christians base primarily on the old testament, or the four gospels n owadays. Try to see such a reformist difference in the Quran/Hadith/Sharia, in islam's global behavior today. Islamic societies are were christian ones were many generations ago - locked in intellectual darkness and fatalistic religious superstition and fanatism, not even mentioning the enslaving of women.

and explain why every year in Muslim countries and in the name of Islam thousands and thousands of people get killed (claimed Muslims and infidels alike), even more discriminated, tortured, driven away - without all this raising big concerns and protests amonst Muslim populations - while in the West this is not so, but all is so incredibly much better and more humane and free over here. How comes that infidels and foreign priests time and again get murdered in Muslim countries for religious reasons, whereas in the West the assassination of Muslims is a real rarity?

Islam has nothing to do with it?

Islam has all to do with it, becasue it is a time trap. The clash of cultures, is a clash between historic eras. Islam today is in and celebrates that condition as civilisational superiority where our ancestors have been several generations ago, centuries and one millenia ago. Islam is driven by those motives that in past centuries the West has been driven by - but is no more!!! - when there still had not been a loss of power and control of the church, and where the West culture was when it was under influence of the dogma of the OT and the Catholic church. Those were bad and dark times for europe. We have left them beidn sicne lomng. Islam is stuck in the middle of this darkness - since many centuries, and I do not see it even trying to creep put of it. Instead, it tries to enforce this darkness on all others, too.

Changing that dogma, leaving it behind, having a reformation, a focussing on the new testament and the four gospels, having a pushing back of the religious people'S power and refusing the church almost total control: all this are inevtiable preconditions for the freedoms and humanistic ideals we have today, the cultural blossoming, the developement of arts and sciences both in quantity and quality, the forming of a cultural tolerance that is possibly unique in the history of mankind. The big wars we fought in the past generations: were not fought over religious missions anymore, but nationalistic and political ideas.

But islam should not have anything to do with the state the Islamic world is in - stuck with it'S head in the a### of history, 1400 years deep, impotent by itself when it is about agriculture, technology, science, economy, true tolerance for others, legal rights, and declaring half of mankind - the female - as de facto slaves, and all infidels as victims that either must be killed or subjugated, dealt with in mandatory discrimination to let them feel their just penalty for resisting the will of Allah?

It is not about being offensive, SH, but Islam is the biggest pain in the a## of the world, a problem for all of us refusing to embrace it, and the biggest cause of bloodshed, torture and supression in the modern world. Islam must fundamentally change itself, and that means, since it cannot be changed, it must be replaced, and this is not possible as long as well-meaning tolerant guys int he West continue to save it from asking critical questions about itself, not analysing it's own history and identity, and just deceiving itself and all others as well. the confrontation, the conflict this means, is inevitable and is absolutely a necessity if Wetsern freedom and tolerance and ideals and culture and humanism shall survive, at least in the part of the world that is called "the West".

And I think even in the Islamic world there is a bit of discomfort with one's own ideologic basis - else one would not invest so much energy on denying it's barbaric heritage, nicetalking it, glossing over it, and even denying or forging history when it does not confirm with Islam'S official opinion on how things have been.

This constant underlying attitude that the bad being done in the name of Islam has nothign to do with Islam, is getting tiresome. Islam has much less space for interpretation, than most people are aware of. and that is becasue Muhammad had a high interest in making his preachings anythijg but open to ionterpretation - he was after exactly the opposite, to secure his claim for power and his undisputed control by enforcing uniformity and preventing (by supression, accusations of heresy, and assassination) all opinions that were not falling into line with him. Absolute power and free opinion do not mix well together. Interpretation is the last thing that Muhammad wanted/Islam wants.