[UNCOVERED] SH5 officially left for dead!

[Hans Hansen]

Originally Posted by privateer

All our troubles will be over when the final patch is released.
Here's an insiders leak of the process so far.

ROFL. Priceless!

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

I only complain as a consumer who bought a defective product. I have no beef with modders who tried and continue to try their best. Ubi need to market a product and have some pride in it and not make a quick buck at our expense. As a personal protest I will not buy another Ubi game until they get their act together. Just my 2 cents worth.

Originally Posted by Hans Hansen

ROFL. Priceless!

I understand the photo was taken on one of those new IPhones?

[daft]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

SH5: Released to soon, killed by the "fans".

Agreed. There are more guilty parties besides Ubi in this case. A self fulfilling prophecy of ever I saw one. "The subsim genre is dead". Well, it certainly has taken a big step towards that state, but the blame lies not only with Ubi or the devs...

[thyro]

Originally Posted by daft

Agreed. There are more guilty parties besides Ubi in this case. A self fulfilling prophecy of ever I saw one. "The subsim genre is dead". Well, it certainly has taken a big step towards that state, but the blame lies not only with Ubi or the devs...

I agree to differ with both observations (your's and Neal's)! Blame lies sole and only with UBI

Please don't be naive and trying to tell paying customers that is our fault because UBI product suck heavily!

Please I don't need to know that you are the only exception this World that when you go to a car dealership to buy an expensive car, you end-up buy any shyte without an engine but if has at least one wheel you are happy with. If that makes you happy then please be, and don't assume all others would follow such low standards too blindly.

Same with UBI and SH5, an unfinished game packed with bugs plus DRM... deadly combination!

Just pity on those that unaware of the problems with this shyte SH product end-up buying such abortion for now to find out that they their money would be better spent feeding peanuts/bananas to real monkeys rather than scammers. All others that bought knowing of the problems with this unfinished shyte, well tough!

But you know what? The remaining good thing is, you got SH5 and in 3 or 4 years time it will be finished thanks to mods... if no better and finished game appears in the market replacing this SH5 abortion... hopefully not UBI crap thank you!

Cheers

[Topo65]

I think, that companies owe to their clients and not vice versa. The only duty of a client is paying for what they buy and customers buy only what suits them.

When the community asked for more simulation, they responded with more automated features.
When the community sayed no more intrusive anti-piracy system, they responded with DRM.
When the community asked for more realism, they responded with a first person game.
When the community asked for a more dynamic campaign, they responded with a campaign 1939/1941.
When the community asked for more and more detailed submarines, they responded with a single type of submarine.
When the community asked for a better simulation ended, they returned with a job unfinished.
When the community asked for support, they were left to the modders.
When the community speaks simulation, they respond about gameplay.

I see Silent Hunter, as a project full of good intentions, trying to grow in an environment increasingly stingy. The proof is, that after each release, we need more and more of our modders.

Now, my question is: Why we pretend that Ubi develop a simulator for us if we know very certainly that Ubi dont have any interest in developing simulators of any kind?

Greetings and sorry for my english.

[Arclight]

I hate to do this, but without anyone to counter claims, it's just going to result in a forum full of complaints and misinformation.

Originally Posted by Topo65

I think, that companies owe to their clients and not vice versa. The only duty of a client is paying for what they buy and customers buy only what suits them.

True, but if you wish to see a product improve and develop, you should provide feedback. Posting "SH5 sux" over and over doesn't accomplish anything, except prove to the dev/publisher that there's no interest.

When the community asked for more simulation, they responded with more automated features.

Without taking anything out. Problem here is the interface is horribly incomplete; all previous functions are still present, but not accesible. (modded in)

When the community sayed no more intrusive anti-piracy system, they responded with DRM.

True enough.

When the community asked for more realism, they responded with a first person game.

Captains didn't generally float around or teleport.

When the community asked for a more dynamic campaign, they responded with a campaign 1939/1941.

Which is more dynamic than the ones before.

When the community asked for more and more detailed submarines, they responded with a single type of submarine.

Which has a fully modeled, detailed interior. iirc the community actually asked for full interiors, not more subs.

When the community asked for a better simulation ended, they returned with a job unfinished.

As always, sadly.

When the community asked for support, they were left to the modders.

Remains to be seen, true enough for the moment.

When the community speaks simulation, they respond about gameplay.

Yes, videogames tend to be about gameplay, sim or not. dev/publisher will always try to promote their product in interviews, can't really expect anything else.

Originally Posted by Topo65

I see Silent Hunter, as a project full of good intentions, trying to grow in an environment increasingly stingy. The proof is, that after each release, we need more and more of our modders.

Now, my question is: Why we pretend that Ubi develop a simulator for us if we know very certainly that Ubi dont have any interest in developing simulators of any kind?

Greetings and sorry for my english.

Agreed, SH5 didn't get the time and money it needed.

As far as simulators go: they published IL2 and LockOn; no doubt those are simulators. It seems you're forgetting about SH3, a praised and popular game (within it's niche) also regarded as a sim.


Thyro; SH5 was perfectly playable from the start, though with a lot of missing functionality. And with the mods at this point it is perfectly enjoyable. No need to wait 3-4 years. I'd even consider that statement a slight to the work modders have already done.

[SteelViking]

Well said Arclight, and thank you.

About that last statement about Thyro's post being a slight to the modders. I actually perceive all statements bashing SH5 as a slight to the modders, unless they are referring to the DRM. Or, unless they are bringing up a valid concern that has truly not been fixed by modders yet.

Basically, if people would truly take the time to get the right mods, I don't think they would complain very much if at all. But, instead, there is this group of people who refuse to buy the game,(or if they have it they refuse to see the good qualities of it or get mods apparently) and those people spam these forums with misinformed and overly negative statements. Frankly, I am getting sick of it.

Again, if your problem is with the DRM, and that is what is stopping you from buying or enjoying, I completely understand, I hate it myself.

[thyro]

Originally Posted by Arclight

Thyro; SH5 was perfectly playable from the start, though with a lot of missing functionality. And with the mods at this point it is perfectly enjoyable. No need to wait 3-4 years. I'd even consider that statement a slight to the work modders have already done.

Thanks Arclight, but I think you missed my point.

Half baked products I simply don't be wasting my money on them!


Not to mention other monster called DRM which the minimum is insulting for a paying customer.

Beside I'm glad you enjoy the SH5 as it is with a very long list of problems and lack of evolution. I wouldn't stand that at all, I wouldn't mind buying a bugged game (I bought so many over the years that I got used too) but half baked game? plus bugs? plus DRM? that is too much rubish on my plate.

Don't get me wrong in one thing... I'm not water down Subsim modders, in time (not days/months but years) SH5 might become a game what UBI was incompetent to achieve before the day of game release.

So actually modders deserve more appraisal than any of UBI devs. Beside who deserves being paid any future purchases of SH5 should be SUBSIM modders and not the monkeys sat at UBI.

I feel no sorry what so ever towards UBI because if this is true and UBI let SH5 to die... then UBI just scam alot of people with this half baked product even forced under DRM draconian idiocy so they deserve no respect.

Cheers

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Yes. That is what makes SubSim as great as it is. Where others complain and deride, our members work to solve, to repair, to overcome. I couldn't imagine this community simply giving up and moving on. We only spite ourselves.

For the individuals who come to complain, say 'nay' and accuse us of dishonesty and foolhardy support, I tell you that Silent Hunter 5 will get there. We are hoping it will do so with UbiSoft's support. However, this community will do it with or without; they always find a way. It is what makes them great. It is why people come here. And when they do get results, and you come back to sheepishly download their mods, we won't put our fingers in your face and belittle you, as you have done us; we're better than that. But you will know, and so will we.

Well said.... thats why I have been here, and will stay here for many years to come.

[thyro]

Originally Posted by SteelViking

Well said Arclight, and thank you.

About that last statement about Thyro's post being a slight to the modders. I actually perceive all statements bashing SH5 as a slight to the modders, unless they are referring to the DRM. Or, unless they are bringing up a valid concern that has truly not been fixed by modders yet.

Basically, if people would truly take the time to get the right mods, I don't think they would complain very much if at all. But, instead, there is this group of people who refuse to buy the game,(or if they have it they refuse to see the good qualities of it or get mods apparently) and those people spam these forums with misinformed and overly negative statements. Frankly, I am getting sick of it.

Again, if your problem is with the DRM, and that is what is stopping you from buying or enjoying, I completely understand, I hate it myself.

I do bash is the idiots in UBI... so please do not rewrite my words in wrong target... I would be more than happy to buy SH5 if the all that money went to SUBSIM modders rather than a scam company called UBI.

So frankly if you are sick then please take the pills or get some glasses to properly read who my target is! Cheers

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by daft

Agreed. There are more guilty parties besides Ubi in this case. A self fulfilling prophecy of ever I saw one. "The subsim genre is dead". Well, it certainly has taken a big step towards that state, but the blame lies not only with Ubi or the devs...

Thats one comment I will NEVER agree with.

Thats like GM producing crap quality cars then wondering why thier sales are far below that of Ford or Toyota. Blame the car purchasers...ya thats it.

Even the reviews in PC GAMER both pre and post patch suck, which almost NEVER reviews games before and after patch (thier policy is to only review the Gold release). And PC gamer reviewed SH5 as a causal gamer would look at the game.

I do however agree that looking at the fiasco of unfinished state in a negative light and saying "Sh 5 will never be good" short changes our MODDERS here. I feel HONORED to belong to a community where FREE MODS done with the sweat off the brows of modders here can SAVE a game that had a budget and PAID staff to produce. Hence why I feel UBI will never release a SDK (willingly) because our modders will make UBI look VERY VERY bad with what they can do. However...would be nice if the SDK would somehow end up "leaked".....illegal I know..sorry UBI but by releasing crap you brought this on yourself.. (by this I mean like how the SDK ended up in modders hands for Falcon 2.0 or how a dev for BAttlezone 2 eneded up working on and patching the game 8 years latter to something GREAT after the publisher abandoned the title).

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by thyro

So frankly if you are sick then please take the pills or get some glasses to properly read who my target is! Cheers

Or, perhaps we can get over the 'Ubi sux' temper tantrums. I mean, it's been months now; it is long past time to either get over it and try to pull something productive out of the mess, or move on.

[TDK1044]

This thread was dead with post #1. How the hell did we get six pages out of it?

Subsim has always been a 'glass half full' environment. I don't know what will happen with Silent Hunter 5, but I know that the subsim modders will make it as good as it can be.

Originally Posted by TDK1044

This thread was dead with post #1. How the hell did we get six pages out of it?

Lots of hard work and to much spare time.