[UNCOVERED] SH5 officially left for dead!

[Topo65]

I think, that companies owe to their clients and not vice versa. The only duty of a client is paying for what they buy and customers buy only what suits them.

When the community asked for more simulation, they responded with more automated features.
When the community sayed no more intrusive anti-piracy system, they responded with DRM.
When the community asked for more realism, they responded with a first person game.
When the community asked for a more dynamic campaign, they responded with a campaign 1939/1941.
When the community asked for more and more detailed submarines, they responded with a single type of submarine.
When the community asked for a better simulation ended, they returned with a job unfinished.
When the community asked for support, they were left to the modders.
When the community speaks simulation, they respond about gameplay.

I see Silent Hunter, as a project full of good intentions, trying to grow in an environment increasingly stingy. The proof is, that after each release, we need more and more of our modders.

Now, my question is: Why we pretend that Ubi develop a simulator for us if we know very certainly that Ubi dont have any interest in developing simulators of any kind?

Greetings and sorry for my english.

[Arclight]

I hate to do this, but without anyone to counter claims, it's just going to result in a forum full of complaints and misinformation.

Originally Posted by Topo65

I think, that companies owe to their clients and not vice versa. The only duty of a client is paying for what they buy and customers buy only what suits them.

True, but if you wish to see a product improve and develop, you should provide feedback. Posting "SH5 sux" over and over doesn't accomplish anything, except prove to the dev/publisher that there's no interest.

When the community asked for more simulation, they responded with more automated features.

Without taking anything out. Problem here is the interface is horribly incomplete; all previous functions are still present, but not accesible. (modded in)

When the community sayed no more intrusive anti-piracy system, they responded with DRM.

True enough.

When the community asked for more realism, they responded with a first person game.

Captains didn't generally float around or teleport.

When the community asked for a more dynamic campaign, they responded with a campaign 1939/1941.

Which is more dynamic than the ones before.

When the community asked for more and more detailed submarines, they responded with a single type of submarine.

Which has a fully modeled, detailed interior. iirc the community actually asked for full interiors, not more subs.

When the community asked for a better simulation ended, they returned with a job unfinished.

As always, sadly.

When the community asked for support, they were left to the modders.

Remains to be seen, true enough for the moment.

When the community speaks simulation, they respond about gameplay.

Yes, videogames tend to be about gameplay, sim or not. dev/publisher will always try to promote their product in interviews, can't really expect anything else.

Originally Posted by Topo65

I see Silent Hunter, as a project full of good intentions, trying to grow in an environment increasingly stingy. The proof is, that after each release, we need more and more of our modders.

Now, my question is: Why we pretend that Ubi develop a simulator for us if we know very certainly that Ubi dont have any interest in developing simulators of any kind?

Greetings and sorry for my english.

Agreed, SH5 didn't get the time and money it needed.

As far as simulators go: they published IL2 and LockOn; no doubt those are simulators. It seems you're forgetting about SH3, a praised and popular game (within it's niche) also regarded as a sim.


Thyro; SH5 was perfectly playable from the start, though with a lot of missing functionality. And with the mods at this point it is perfectly enjoyable. No need to wait 3-4 years. I'd even consider that statement a slight to the work modders have already done.

[SteelViking]

Well said Arclight, and thank you.

About that last statement about Thyro's post being a slight to the modders. I actually perceive all statements bashing SH5 as a slight to the modders, unless they are referring to the DRM. Or, unless they are bringing up a valid concern that has truly not been fixed by modders yet.

Basically, if people would truly take the time to get the right mods, I don't think they would complain very much if at all. But, instead, there is this group of people who refuse to buy the game,(or if they have it they refuse to see the good qualities of it or get mods apparently) and those people spam these forums with misinformed and overly negative statements. Frankly, I am getting sick of it.

Again, if your problem is with the DRM, and that is what is stopping you from buying or enjoying, I completely understand, I hate it myself.

[thyro]

Originally Posted by SteelViking

Well said Arclight, and thank you.

About that last statement about Thyro's post being a slight to the modders. I actually perceive all statements bashing SH5 as a slight to the modders, unless they are referring to the DRM. Or, unless they are bringing up a valid concern that has truly not been fixed by modders yet.

Basically, if people would truly take the time to get the right mods, I don't think they would complain very much if at all. But, instead, there is this group of people who refuse to buy the game,(or if they have it they refuse to see the good qualities of it or get mods apparently) and those people spam these forums with misinformed and overly negative statements. Frankly, I am getting sick of it.

Again, if your problem is with the DRM, and that is what is stopping you from buying or enjoying, I completely understand, I hate it myself.

I do bash is the idiots in UBI... so please do not rewrite my words in wrong target... I would be more than happy to buy SH5 if the all that money went to SUBSIM modders rather than a scam company called UBI.

So frankly if you are sick then please take the pills or get some glasses to properly read who my target is! Cheers

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by thyro

So frankly if you are sick then please take the pills or get some glasses to properly read who my target is! Cheers

Or, perhaps we can get over the 'Ubi sux' temper tantrums. I mean, it's been months now; it is long past time to either get over it and try to pull something productive out of the mess, or move on.

[TDK1044]

This thread was dead with post #1. How the hell did we get six pages out of it?

Subsim has always been a 'glass half full' environment. I don't know what will happen with Silent Hunter 5, but I know that the subsim modders will make it as good as it can be.

Originally Posted by TDK1044

This thread was dead with post #1. How the hell did we get six pages out of it?

Lots of hard work and to much spare time.

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

This thread was dead with post #1. How the hell did we get six pages out of it?

Subsim has always been a 'glass half full' environment. I don't know what will happen with Silent Hunter 5, but I know that the subsim modders will make it as good as it can be.

It was NEVER dead...it was made by the (insert Class C horror flick music here) SUBSIM ARMY OF ZOMBIES.

[SteelViking]

Originally Posted by thyro

I do bash is the idiots in UBI... so please do not rewrite my words in wrong target... I would be more than happy to buy SH5 if the all that money went to SUBSIM modders rather than a scam company called UBI.

So frankly if you are sick then please take the pills or get some glasses to properly read who my target is! Cheers

I did not misread your post(I wear contacts). I know your target is Ubi, but by bashing SH5, you are bashing the people who are currently working on it as well, the modders. There is no way around it. If you post about all the problems in a way that is not meant to be constructive like asking the modders if something can be fixed, or bringing a problem to the attention of someone who has the ability to fix it, then yes in a way you are insulting those working on it. I am not trying to single you out or offend you, I am simply stating this for the benefit of everyone.

Also, if you have a problem with Ubi, they have forums, tell everyone about it there. Why does everyone seem to think that posting bad things about Ubi here is going to make any difference. Of course, posting on their forums won't make much difference either I suppose

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Or, perhaps we can get over the 'Ubi sux' temper tantrums. I mean, it's been months now; it is long past time to either get over it and try to pull something productive out of the mess, or move on.

Exactly. A few months ago, "Ubi sucks" rants did not bother me because I was angry too. But, I, as well as many other folks have gotten over it, and are trying to make the situation better, as should everyone.

[thyro]

Originally Posted by SteelViking

I did not misread your post(I wear contacts). I know your target is Ubi, but by bashing SH5, you are bashing the people who are currently working on it as well, the modders. There is no way around it. If you post about all the problems in a way that is not meant to be constructive like asking the modders if something can be fixed, or bringing a problem to the attention of someone who has the ability to fix it, then yes in a way you are insulting those working on it. I am not trying to single you out or offend you, I am simply stating this for the benefit of everyone.

Also, if you have a problem with Ubi, they have forums, tell everyone about it there. Why does everyone seem to think that posting bad things about Ubi here is going to make any difference. Of course, posting on their forums won't make much difference either I suppose



Exactly. A few months ago, "Ubi sucks" rants did not bother me because I was angry too. But, I, as well as many other folks have gotten over it, and are trying to make the situation better, as should everyone.

speak for your self since you represent no one else beside you m8

Apology but your view is simply childish (apology if you are an adult) but that is now my perception formed based on th comment... sorry!

I suggest you to re-read my posts for 3rd time because you are still getting them in wrong context.

DISCLAIM: Anyone as the right of reading text in the right/wrong context, I'm not responsible for wrong interpretation, translation or dyslexic problems that might occur during and after reading. Since words are free of charge and were not submited to scrutiny of UBI's DRM system and provided as it is. Therefore prone to hackers attacks or panic attacks on dearest fanboys on such subject.

BTW if you have a problem with me... lets meet at UBI's front door! I'm sure the front door window won't resist at heavy fire of crosswords

[thyro]

Originally Posted by Arclight

Thyro; SH5 was perfectly playable from the start, though with a lot of missing functionality. And with the mods at this point it is perfectly enjoyable. No need to wait 3-4 years. I'd even consider that statement a slight to the work modders have already done.

Thanks Arclight, but I think you missed my point.

Half baked products I simply don't be wasting my money on them!


Not to mention other monster called DRM which the minimum is insulting for a paying customer.

Beside I'm glad you enjoy the SH5 as it is with a very long list of problems and lack of evolution. I wouldn't stand that at all, I wouldn't mind buying a bugged game (I bought so many over the years that I got used too) but half baked game? plus bugs? plus DRM? that is too much rubish on my plate.

Don't get me wrong in one thing... I'm not water down Subsim modders, in time (not days/months but years) SH5 might become a game what UBI was incompetent to achieve before the day of game release.

So actually modders deserve more appraisal than any of UBI devs. Beside who deserves being paid any future purchases of SH5 should be SUBSIM modders and not the monkeys sat at UBI.

I feel no sorry what so ever towards UBI because if this is true and UBI let SH5 to die... then UBI just scam alot of people with this half baked product even forced under DRM draconian idiocy so they deserve no respect.

Cheers

[seaniam81]

Originally Posted by Arclight

As far as simulators go: they published IL2 and LockOn; no doubt those are simulators. It seems you're forgetting about SH3, a praised and popular game (within it's niche) also regarded as a sim.

While I agree with pretty much everything you said Arc. I'm just going to point out IL2 and LockOn were indeed published by UBI, however they were created by 1C/Maddox (IL2) and Eagle Dynamics (LockOn) and Ubi had no hand in creating either. They just slapped their name on the box out on it's way out the door to the stores.

If anything UBI should be paying attention to 1C/Maddox because they still support IL2, and didn't IL2 come out in 2001?

[Arclight]

Aye, I was considering adding that maybe Ubi should stick to publishing sims instead of developing them, but they gave us SH3 and SH4. I'd also like to point out responses were not very different then to how people are reacting now.

edit: SH4 wasn't in much better condition at launch either.

There's always been a ton of complaining about SH releases, and yet today both 3&4 are mostly praised, instead of berated.


Though I should note I have that from hear-say. Haven't been around on SubSim long enough to have seen it first hand.

[Topo65]

Originally Posted by Arclight

I hate to do this...

So... dont do it! (Its just a joke ) Thanks for taking your time to read my post and give me your point of view.

Maybe I should not post without a full knowledge of the language, and take the risk of using words that could be misinterpreted. But do not blame me for feeling part of this community, which I appreciate so much and try to express myself.

I just want to make clear that I really appreciate the work done by the modders. Yes, I'm a little angry with Ubisoft and the treatment given to the saga. But I respect and accept the opinions of others.

[Arclight]

Originally Posted by Topo65

So... dont do it! (Its just a joke ) Thanks for taking your time to read my post and give me your point of view.

Maybe I should not post without a full knowledge of the language, and take the risk of using words that could be misinterpreted. But do not blame me for feeling part of this community, which I appreciate so much and try to express myself.

I just want to make clear that I really appreciate the work done by the modders. Yes, I'm a little angry with Ubisoft and the treatment given to the saga. But I respect and accept the opinions of others.

Aye, nothing personal and I'm not out to insult you or anything. That's why I hate it; it's too hard not too offend anyone in this whole SH5 thing.

You have every right to be angry and let that be heard, but I think there should be a bit of counter to that as well. It's not all doom and gloom.