Mosque at Ground Zero? What's the latest?

Originally Posted by August

You could see the WTC from New Jersey. Most real adults would know this.

Exactly!

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by thorn69

Exactly Skybird!



Perhaps they should have built a monument of Yamash!ta at Pearl Harbor Zachstar!

If it is within the law that is perfectly fine. I guess that Nova episode where that Admiral from Japan prayed and said a eulogy for sailors of a IJN minisub that failed to escape enraged you eh?

You see this is 2010 not 1949 2010 not 2001. 9-11 is the past and the hatred has subsided somewhat. It is over and it is time to move on.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I said it in two different threads before, and I say it again: having a mosque build at ground zero or close to it, compares to having an NSDAP education centre for a "balanced view on German history" near the KZ of Auschwitz.

Americans should not tolerate it, should accept no compromise, and block it - no matter the means necessary.

Enough skybird. There is no comparason between the two and you know it.

[August]

Originally Posted by thorn69

Exactly!

Thanks for the confirmation, it's juvenile and anti-American statements like that which leads me to believe that you aren't a real cop, heck now I doubt that you're even an adult. You might want to quit while you're ahead.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Skybird

P.S. regarding that other mosque - bring it down, and any other you find in the West. Else the religion of peace will bring you down: you, your Western value order, and your constitutional rights and guarantees, and finally your religion, or lack of. This cultural fight is forced upon you, whether you like it or not, whether you accept it or not, whether you fight back or not. If this fight gets lost, the western culture - in good and bad - is lost. Simply that. the future then will be totalitarian-islamic, based on medieval ideals and mindsets, a disgrace to humanity and delaring the female half of mankind a subordinate species of slaves. Welcome to the dark age 2.0.

Pat Condell tried to send us a similar message some time ago:

http://www.youtube.com/patcondell#p/u/9/KjSjpNe1-Vc

Originally Posted by Zachstar

If it is within the law that is perfectly fine. I guess that Nova episode where that Admiral from Japan prayed and said a eulogy for sailors of a IJN minisub that failed to escape enraged you eh?

You see this is 2010 not 1949 2010 not 2001. 9-11 is the past and the hatred has subsided somewhat. It is over and it is time to move on.

You are living in a fantasy world if you think the hatred has subsided. It's only intensified! Al-Qaeda is still actively seeking your destruction but you're too liberal minded to care. You should be thanking your lucky stars that there are men and women out there watching out for people like you!

[Moeceefus]

Suprising to see so much hatred for freedom of religion. Some people are very narrow minded. You can be a radical from any religion, that shouldn't make its entirity responsible because you need a scapegoat for your criminal acts.

[Platapus]

Not including the terrorist apostates, 23 Muslims died in the 911 attacks. (This represents 0.75% of the total number of victims. Muslims, in general, represent 0.6% of the population of the United States so the ratio of Muslims that died in the 911 attacks tracks with their ratio to the population.)

http://crosswordbebop.blogspot.com/2...1-attacks.html

Don't the families and communities of those 23 Islamic VICTIMS deserve a place of worship near the attack site? Of did these Muslim victims only "get what they and all Muslims deserve"?

Muslims did not attack us on 911. Muslim apostate terrorists attacked us. I would be all in favour if someone wanted to prevent a Salafi mosque being built there. But not a ban on any type of Muslim Mosque.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Enough skybird. There is no comparason between the two and you know it.

The comparison is perfect, and both ideologies both represent extreme representations of totalitariansim, and both ideologies are responsible for a horryfying ammount of racism, genocide, supremacism, killing, suffering and barbarism - all based on their inner teachings.

Originally Posted by Skybird

The comparison is perfect, and both ideologies both represent extreme representations of totalitariansim, and both ideologies are responsible for a horryfying ammount of racism, genocide, supremacism, killing, suffering and barbarism - all based on their inner teachings.

Don't worry Skybird! You're EXACTLY spot on with your comparison!

Zachstar, is just mad that you've shown him up the way you've pointed out the double-standards that he seems so eager to defend! Makes me wonder why this guy even lives in the US? He seems so opposed to anything American and consistently plays the "race card" game for some reason. Could he be a sleeper cell agent for Al-Qaeda or is he just one of these terrorist sympathizers that wants self-destruction to ensue?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Not including the terrorist apostates,

are you now declaring the upside the downside and the left the right? What "terrorist apostates"?

23 Muslims died in the 911 attacks. (This represents 0.75% of the total number of victims. Muslims, in general, represent 0.6% of the population of the United States so the ratio of Muslims that died in the 911 attacks tracks with their ratio to the population.)

So what? Because non-Nazi Germans got killed in WWII - that made Nazism a more harmless ideology?

Don't the families and communities of those 23 Islamic VICTIMS deserve a place of worship near the attack site? Of did these Muslim victims only "get what they and all Muslims deserve"?

They deserve to be given a chance to learn about the true inhumane nature of that ideology they maybestill believe in and that is directly responsible for their family members gotten murdered in the name of the Quran. Bin Laden always has referred to the corruption of the true Muslim faith as laid out in the Quran and to the cporruoption of the rich arabic governments as well. and he is right in nthat claim, the Quran justifies lethal force against corrupted Muslims indeed, since they smudge the pirity of the faith. To give people of muslim cultural origin a chance to critically learn about what they take for granted, you must confront them with those critical questions that their culture since 1400 years has made a form of art to evade. This is the chance you want to deny to Muslims in the West when you think you do them a favour by fulfilling all their claims based on those 1400 years, so that they have no need at all to question thermslves and the ideologic basis of the culture they come from. - Ironcially it is some of the most prominent Muslim apostates and islam critics saying so. But what does that mean, when you know Islam so much better than they do although they had lived in it, studied it, even have acadmeic careers dealing with it. you want to believe in a rosy world where conflict is not known, and that vision you call peace and harmony and islam dances hand in hand with you and everything is hei-ti-tei.

Muslims did not attack us on 911. Muslim apostate terrorists attacked us. I would be all in favour if someone wanted to prevent a Salafi mosque being built there. But not a ban on any type of Muslim Mosque.

Wrong, it were muslim terroists, and Islam had all to do with their attack. It borders pure malicious cynism to label the strike a deed not of Islam. It was the Islam described and defined in the Quran.

You seriously suffer from a variation of Stockholm syndrome.

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Islam is neither peaceful, nor humane or humanistic. It does not know our concepts of equality, liberty, cultural coexistence, secularism, freedom, peace, tolerance - all these ters it understands and defines in a totally different way linking it to totalitarian concepts as to be seen in uniform societies like fascism. That Muslim terrorists also target and kill Muslims, means not much.

The strike on the WTC, btw, was meant to hit America and white Americans, America's culture, a symbol of it's leading economic role in the world. Collateral damages - in the Quran are considered acceptable (like suiicde attacks as well, btw), if the attack serves the purpose and interest of islam and it's spreading, and bringing death and destruction to it's opponents.

Yopu guys have not learned much neither from the Third Reich, nor from the literature our academic tradition has assembled over islam since over 250 years. You really started to remind me of the left opposition, the peace movement in Germany, and the RAF in Germany, all of which were massively infiltrated, controlled and directed by the great opponent of the West: the KGB of the USSR, and the Eastgerman secret service.

And what a great time and heydays they had! "Useful idiots" as well.

[UnderseaLcpl]

This is a silly discussion. As far as I'm concerned, anyone can build anything they want on or near ground zero because this is a country where we believe that all men are created equal and entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It's understandable that there is still resentment towards the Muslim community from 9/11, but if we allow our sentiemtns to cloud our judgement and, more importantly, empower the state to discriminate amongst religions, we will find that the same state we give that power to will be used against us in the future.

I feel like freaking Yoda, being a guy with large ears who always tells people not to take the quick and easy path, but there is wisdom in that message. You cannot simultaneously have a free state and a controlling state. If you create a legal precedent for enforced discrimination (or elimination of enforced discrimination, as the case may be) it will come back and bite you in the ass, I promise you. One might as well build the gallows with which to hang oneself.

What strikes me as being extremely odd is that there are so many W.A.S.P.s who are of a the opinion that we should somehow create a means to preserve the status quo of W.A.S.P. America. Really, guys? Are you so blind to the past and present? Have you forgotten how we used to do that to other people? Do you really think that in the political system we have that we're ever going to "win" against the Muslims or the Latinos or whoever happens to be on your s***-list at the moment? Would you be willing to live under a system that could keep them out? Would you willingly give anyone that kind of control? Methinks you've been fooled by people with a different agenda.

If we really cherish our nation and our values, we should be confident enough to let them stand on their own merit. We have nothing to fear, aside from a politcal machine that has regard not for merit or equality of opportunity, but that promotes intolerance or equality of outcome.

[SteamWake]

Two blocks is too close..

I'm sorry this is a thinly vieled slap to the face of the families that suffered losses on that fatefull day.

It is not just a happenstance.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Skybird

are you now declaring the upside the downside and the left the right? What "terrorist apostates"?

Terrorists that are apostates.

Was that really that difficult for you to understand?

Considering that you think most things about Islam are bad, I imagine it would be.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

This is a silly discussion. As far as I'm concerned, anyone can build anything they want on or near ground zero because this is a country where we believe that all men are created equal and entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Even if the other wants to destroy yourself, wants his freedoms - different from yours - at your freedom's cost?

When you say yes, I call you a suicidal madman.