Mosque at Ground Zero? What's the latest?

07-11-10, 04:30 PM

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...t_ground_zero/

I remember hearing about this several months ago and was appalled by the idea! Is this still in the works? Does anyone know the latest on this proposal! Please tell me it didn't get approved! That WOULD BE a slap in the face to the 9/11 victims, their families, and Americans alike IMHO!

tater · 07-11-10, 04:42 PM

This is why we need 100% separation of church and State.

The trouble with a Mosque there---it would be illegal to prevent a Mosque but not a church, for example---is that there are likely laws on the books that change the zoning of NON-religious building nearby. Many cities forbid bars within a certain distance of churches (or mosques), for example.

All zoning laws that relate to places of worship as "special" should be abolished.

Maybe we could pitch together and put in a titty bar next door to the mosque to piss them off?

Zachstar · 07-11-10, 04:44 PM

From what I understand it got approved. Likely because the racist hatemongers who wanted it denied made it national issue overnight.

Haha!

Platapus · 07-11-10, 04:46 PM

Perhaps it was approved because it was not at "ground zero" (A term I absolutely hate) but two blocks away.

Skybird · 07-11-10, 04:48 PM

I said it in two different threads before, and I say it again: having a mosque build at ground zero or close to it, compares to having an NSDAP education centre for a "balanced view on German history" near the KZ of Auschwitz.

Americans should not tolerate it, should accept no compromise, and block it - no matter the means necessary.

Platapus · 07-11-10, 05:13 PM

Skybird,

What possible harm could it be to have an Mosque in NYC? There are thousands of Muslims in NYC who have done no one any harm.

Besides there is already a mosque at this location and no one has caught any Mooooslim cooties yet.

07-11-10, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

This is why we need 100% separation of church and State.

The trouble with a Mosque there---it would be illegal to prevent a Mosque but not a church, for example---is that there are likely laws on the books that change the zoning of NON-religious building nearby. Many cities forbid bars within a certain distance of churches (or mosques), for example.

All zoning laws that relate to places of worship as "special" should be abolished.

Maybe we could pitch together and put in a titty bar next door to the mosque to piss them off?

I'm all for titty bars!

07-11-10, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I said it in two different threads before, and I say it again: having a mosque build at ground zero or close to it, compares to having an NSDAP education centre for a "balanced view on German history" near the KZ of Auschwitz.

Americans should not tolerate it, should accept no compromise, and block it - no matter the means necessary.

Exactly Skybird!

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Originally Posted by Zachstar

From what I understand it got approved. Likely because the racist hatemongers who wanted it denied made it national issue overnight.

Haha!

Perhaps they should have built a monument of Yamash!ta at Pearl Harbor Zachstar!

tater · 07-11-10, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zachstar

From what I understand it got approved. Likely because the racist hatemongers who wanted it denied made it national issue overnight.

Haha!

How is disliking a set of ideas, voluntarily held, "racist?"

Is disliking nazis similarly "racist?" How about disliking the members of the Westborough (sp?) Baptist Church ("god hates fags")—is that "racist" as well?

Maybe it's just that I don't assign religion as an indelible trait as you apparently do. I was raised Catholic, but I'm an atheist, am I always a Catholic because I have "catholic blood?"

Skybird · 07-11-10, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Skybird,

What possible harm could it be to have an Mosque in NYC? There are thousands of Muslims in NYC who have done no one any harm.

What harm could it have to have that NSDAP culture centre near Auschwitz? Remember that many Germans did not know that KZs like Auschwitz were planned, built and maintained

Maybe the damage coming from mocking the victims? legitimising the perpetrators by giving them arespectable appearancxe? Implying that the ideology motivating the deed has nothing to do with the deed?

Islam always marches forward agressively - and claims to be the victim of supression and racism and and cultural pressure. Maybe you still fall that scheme. I, and more and more other people as well, do not. We call islam no longer a victim of the evil, but the source of the evil. That german who were no Nazis at all got killed by the Nazis too, does not mean that Nazi ideology was any less harmful.

If you want to be taken serious in your claims that you are a democrat, not a Nazi, that you dispise Hitler and his ideology, that you are a liberal humanist and philantropist and that you could not wish anyone any harm, maybe it would be more convincing if you not only produce such words in candy cream and endless volumes to gloss over the Nazi ideology and the the crimes it has caused - but by taking that picture of Hitler off the wall, taking of that swastika sticker on your jacket, stop paying contributitons to Nauzi organisation hidden or evident, and stop raising the straight right arm for a greeting.

P.S. regarding that other mosque - bring it down, and any other you find in the West. Else the religion of peace will bring you down: you, your Western value order, and your constitutional rights and guarantees, and finally your religion, or lack of. This cultural fight is forced upon you, whether you like it or not, whether you accept it or not, whether you fight back or not. If this fight gets lost, the western culture - in good and bad - is lost. Simply that. the future then will be totalitarian-islamic, based on medieval ideals and mindsets, a disgrace to humanity and delaring the female half of mankind a subordinate species of slaves. Welcome to the dark age 2.0.

August · 07-11-10, 06:30 PM

So this Muslim exclusionary zone you guys want to create around the WTC, how far should it extend? 2 blocks?, 10?, off Manhattan island completely?

07-11-10, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by August

So this Muslim exclusionary zone you guys want to create around the WTC, how far should it extend? 2 blocks?, 10?, off Manhattan island completely?

Just not within visual sight of the WTC would be just fine to me.

Platapus · 07-11-10, 06:40 PM

I suppose we should also exclude christian churches around The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building too?

Or do these religious exclusion zones only apply to "them mooslims"?

Jus' tryin' to understand the mind set here.

August · 07-11-10, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thorn69

Just not within visual sight of the WTC would be just fine to me.

You could see the WTC from New Jersey. Most real adults would know this.

Skybird · 07-11-10, 06:51 PM

Why allowing any new mosque at all when synagogues and churches in Muslim countries get put down and supressed, their communities discriminated and intimidated and being driven out?

the number of ,mosques inthe West is EXPLODING. The number of representations of non-Muslim cultures in Muslim country gets constantly decimated - although already being minimal.

Muslims in Wetsern countries enjoy an ammount of protection and liberties that they can only dream of in muslim countries. Non-Muslims in Muslim countries are expected to bezave submissively, and are more or less supressed and restricted in their human rights of for exmaple free speech or free religious practicing. the yearly number of victims of direct religious violence, in case of Islamic attacks like terror organisation, riots, assassinations, street assaults, goes into the tens of thousands getting killed. But how many Muslims get stabbed on western streets for not being christian, Jewish, atheists?

Discrimination of non-Muslims in Muslim countries is more or less the rule of the day, especially if you are female or are not a member of the three desert dogmas. But Muslims in the West you see an monumental propaganda machine, supported by politiciians, risen for hiding the nature of Islam and supressing any statistic revelation about how disastrous the big scale presence of muslim communities in western nations is for the hosting nation. Even european legislation gets designed to meet the demands of this foreign conqueror and to criminalise any opposition and resistence to his advance - and may it even be that you dare to ask it a critical question that it finds offending - after the coup d'etat of Lisbon, such questioning already is a crime.

Fan-tas-tic.

07-11-10, 04:30 PM	#1
thorn69 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Mosque at Ground Zero? What's the latest? http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...t_ground_zero/ I remember hearing about this several months ago and was appalled by the idea! Is this still in the works? Does anyone know the latest on this proposal! Please tell me it didn't get approved! That WOULD BE a slap in the face to the 9/11 victims, their families, and Americans alike IMHO!

07-11-10, 04:44 PM	#3
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	From what I understand it got approved. Likely because the racist hatemongers who wanted it denied made it national issue overnight. Haha! __________________

07-11-10, 04:46 PM	#4
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Perhaps it was approved because it was not at "ground zero" (A term I absolutely hate) but two blocks away. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-11-10, 04:48 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I said it in two different threads before, and I say it again: having a mosque build at ground zero or close to it, compares to having an NSDAP education centre for a "balanced view on German history" near the KZ of Auschwitz. Americans should not tolerate it, should accept no compromise, and block it - no matter the means necessary. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-11-10, 05:13 PM	#6
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Skybird, What possible harm could it be to have an Mosque in NYC? There are thousands of Muslims in NYC who have done no one any harm. Besides there is already a mosque at this location and no one has caught any Mooooslim cooties yet. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-11-10, 04:42 PM	#2
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	This is why we need 100% separation of church and State. The trouble with a Mosque there---it would be illegal to prevent a Mosque but not a church, for example---is that there are likely laws on the books that change the zoning of NON-religious building nearby. Many cities forbid bars within a certain distance of churches (or mosques), for example. All zoning laws that relate to places of worship as "special" should be abolished. Maybe we could pitch together and put in a titty bar next door to the mosque to piss them off?

07-11-10, 06:30 PM	#11
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So this Muslim exclusionary zone you guys want to create around the WTC, how far should it extend? 2 blocks?, 10?, off Manhattan island completely? __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

07-11-10, 06:40 PM	#13
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I suppose we should also exclude christian churches around The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building too? Or do these religious exclusion zones only apply to "them mooslims"? Jus' tryin' to understand the mind set here. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-11-10, 06:51 PM	#15
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Why allowing any new mosque at all when synagogues and churches in Muslim countries get put down and supressed, their communities discriminated and intimidated and being driven out? the number of ,mosques inthe West is EXPLODING. The number of representations of non-Muslim cultures in Muslim country gets constantly decimated - although already being minimal. Muslims in Wetsern countries enjoy an ammount of protection and liberties that they can only dream of in muslim countries. Non-Muslims in Muslim countries are expected to bezave submissively, and are more or less supressed and restricted in their human rights of for exmaple free speech or free religious practicing. the yearly number of victims of direct religious violence, in case of Islamic attacks like terror organisation, riots, assassinations, street assaults, goes into the tens of thousands getting killed. But how many Muslims get stabbed on western streets for not being christian, Jewish, atheists? Discrimination of non-Muslims in Muslim countries is more or less the rule of the day, especially if you are female or are not a member of the three desert dogmas. But Muslims in the West you see an monumental propaganda machine, supported by politiciians, risen for hiding the nature of Islam and supressing any statistic revelation about how disastrous the big scale presence of muslim communities in western nations is for the hosting nation. Even european legislation gets designed to meet the demands of this foreign conqueror and to criminalise any opposition and resistence to his advance - and may it even be that you dare to ask it a critical question that it finds offending - after the coup d'etat of Lisbon, such questioning already is a crime. Fan-tas-tic. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.