Flights averted due to a UFO... - Page 3

heartc · 07-09-10, 09:06 PM

With your pictures, you're looking at the front of the seat, not the rear, like in the video.

http://www.cockpits.net/website/imag...reenshot13.jpg

The above is admittedly from a flightsim (F4), but is accurate. Actually, it's a photo copy.

http://vishnufafat.files.wordpress.c...-f15-eagle.jpg

The above is the real thing.

And this is what is in the video. Notice the 3 "circles" visible on the back of the seat. Notice the analog compass on the front cockpit frame, when looking just past the right side of the front seat, etc.
It is NOT a MiG cockpit in any way, shape or form. It is the backseat of an F-15 D or E. Trust me, I've been into aviation since 15 years now.

Also, the MiGs that are taking of in the beginning of the video are single seat MiG-21. Not only is that visibly so, but double seat MiG-21 are pretty rare, since they are trainers and they would not scramble on a live intercept mission. Also, it is pretty clear to see that the camera / picture quality is totally different and from a different time period than the cockpit shots.

In addition, take a step back and ask yourself how the hell would they just happen to have a camera man at the runway to film that *scramble* flight taking of, and just happen to have fancy cameras on the planes that look backward etc? These are very obviously archive shots from a prepared and directed documentary. Probably for military purposes originally (training, aircraft familiarization / presentation, etc.) and then later they were put into all kinds of documentaries. I've seen those scenes many times, as I said.

To your other points: How the hell do they come to those hilarious conclusions re speeds and accelerations?? The F-15 is in a right hand turn. The "Object" - let's call it plane, because it damn sure looks like one - is viewed from its side, that's why you can't make out the wings. It is traveling at a roughly 90° course to the F-15, i.e. across the nose of the F15, i.e. the F-15 is about to cross its course while passing behind it, while it keeps moving forward on its own course and out of view. I actually don't see any actual acceleration going on at all. If anything, the vid is somewhat in slow motion, and can easily be sped up and down etc. It's also damn difficult to suggest any range to the object from the blurry video - especially if you *do* assume it is not a tanker / airline type plane, thus do not know its dimensions, how the hell are you measuring the range to it from that video so that you can conclude the speed at which it is moving?

In short: The video is a total hoax - or rather: The story as presented is a total hoax and the video clips have nothing to do with it and there's nothing out of the ordinary to see in them. Of course you need to darken out the "witnesses" to make it look like they're in danger for talking, to give the whole thing more credibility lol.

Really, that's what I hate about the whole UFO phenomenon: There's so much crap out there, some done extremely poor like this one - at least to the trained eye - and some other done very well, that in the end it clouds what might be actual incidents and gives a bad rep to people who are trying to figure out what is behind them.

Castout · 07-09-10, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

Looks Mexican to me.

Aye. Very.

Now we know who supported the Mexican drug cartel

heartc · 07-09-10, 09:40 PM

After looking at the video again, the "UFO" is in all probability not a tanker type aircraft but a towed or self propelled target drone, so the F15 part of the video is probably from an air combat exercise.

Case closed.

Moeceefus · 07-10-10, 11:07 AM

Seems like China is showing off some new tech in response to the US being more of a presence in the Pacific. It all just seems like posturing is all.

Sailor Steve · 07-10-10, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Castout

Aye. Very.

Now we know who supported the Mexican drug cartel

Back in the 1970s Robin Williams did a very funny episode of Mork & Mindy in which Mork hears that illegal aliens are being rounded up.

Need I say more?

TLAM Strike · 07-10-10, 02:27 PM

The UFO from a different angle.

informationdissemination.net thinks it maybe have been the Chinese Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile test promised as part of their current naval war games.

Platapus · 07-10-10, 05:40 PM

The etymologist in me feels that a UFO could not be an alien space craft... for then it would not be "unidentified".

I see objects flying that I can't identify all the time. Simply because it is unidentified, does not mean that it can't be identified later.

SteamWake · 07-10-10, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

The etymologist in me feels that a UFO could not be an alien space craft... for then it would not be "unidentified".

I see objects flying that I can't identify all the time. Simply because it is unidentified, does not mean that it can't be identified later.

Those would be Pidgeons pooping upon thy head.

Platapus · 07-10-10, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Those would be Pidgeons pooping upon thy head.

ewww Thanks a lot for identifying them.

SteamWake · 07-14-10, 02:27 PM

Video has surfaced.

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=51108

Platapus · 07-14-10, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Video has surfaced.

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=51108

Two stage rocket launch? Tough to tell from the video.

onelifecrisis · 07-14-10, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Video has surfaced.

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=51108

Wow. I've never seen anything like that. The part where it did... whatever it did... at 0:39 in the video was kindof awesome.

heartc · 07-14-10, 04:03 PM

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This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

Awesome.

(Are the aliens now claiming copyrights, too?)

onelifecrisis · 07-14-10, 04:10 PM

Video removed!? Already? Ha! Very interesting, don't you think?

Let's hear those conspiracy theories!

STEED · 07-14-10, 04:36 PM

Anal Probing anyone?

We come in peace, now drop your pants and let us fondle your ass.

07-09-10, 09:06 PM	#31
heartc Samurai Navy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 562 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	With your pictures, you're looking at the front of the seat, not the rear, like in the video. http://www.cockpits.net/website/imag...reenshot13.jpg The above is admittedly from a flightsim (F4), but is accurate. Actually, it's a photo copy. http://vishnufafat.files.wordpress.c...-f15-eagle.jpg The above is the real thing. And this is what is in the video. Notice the 3 "circles" visible on the back of the seat. Notice the analog compass on the front cockpit frame, when looking just past the right side of the front seat, etc. It is NOT a MiG cockpit in any way, shape or form. It is the backseat of an F-15 D or E. Trust me, I've been into aviation since 15 years now. Also, the MiGs that are taking of in the beginning of the video are single seat MiG-21. Not only is that visibly so, but double seat MiG-21 are pretty rare, since they are trainers and they would not scramble on a live intercept mission. Also, it is pretty clear to see that the camera / picture quality is totally different and from a different time period than the cockpit shots. In addition, take a step back and ask yourself how the hell would they just happen to have a camera man at the runway to film that scramble flight taking of, and just happen to have fancy cameras on the planes that look backward etc? These are very obviously archive shots from a prepared and directed documentary. Probably for military purposes originally (training, aircraft familiarization / presentation, etc.) and then later they were put into all kinds of documentaries. I've seen those scenes many times, as I said. To your other points: How the hell do they come to those hilarious conclusions re speeds and accelerations?? The F-15 is in a right hand turn. The "Object" - let's call it plane, because it damn sure looks like one - is viewed from its side, that's why you can't make out the wings. It is traveling at a roughly 90° course to the F-15, i.e. across the nose of the F15, i.e. the F-15 is about to cross its course while passing behind it, while it keeps moving forward on its own course and out of view. I actually don't see any actual acceleration going on at all. If anything, the vid is somewhat in slow motion, and can easily be sped up and down etc. It's also damn difficult to suggest any range to the object from the blurry video - especially if you do assume it is not a tanker / airline type plane, thus do not know its dimensions, how the hell are you measuring the range to it from that video so that you can conclude the speed at which it is moving? In short: The video is a total hoax - or rather: The story as presented is a total hoax and the video clips have nothing to do with it and there's nothing out of the ordinary to see in them. Of course you need to darken out the "witnesses" to make it look like they're in danger for talking, to give the whole thing more credibility lol. Really, that's what I hate about the whole UFO phenomenon: There's so much crap out there, some done extremely poor like this one - at least to the trained eye - and some other done very well, that in the end it clouds what might be actual incidents and gives a bad rep to people who are trying to figure out what is behind them. __________________ Last edited by heartc; 07-09-10 at 09:51 PM.

07-09-10, 09:40 PM	#33
heartc Samurai Navy Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 562 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	After looking at the video again, the "UFO" is in all probability not a tanker type aircraft but a towed or self propelled target drone, so the F15 part of the video is probably from an air combat exercise. Case closed. __________________

07-10-10, 02:27 PM	#36
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	The UFO from a different angle. informationdissemination.net thinks it maybe have been the Chinese Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile test promised as part of their current naval war games. __________________

07-10-10, 05:40 PM	#37
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,369 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	The etymologist in me feels that a UFO could not be an alien space craft... for then it would not be "unidentified". I see objects flying that I can't identify all the time. Simply because it is unidentified, does not mean that it can't be identified later. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-14-10, 02:27 PM	#40
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Video has surfaced. http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=51108 __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

07-10-10, 11:07 AM	#34
Moeceefus 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New York Posts: 278 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Seems like China is showing off some new tech in response to the US being more of a presence in the Pacific. It all just seems like posturing is all.

07-14-10, 04:10 PM	#44
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Video removed!? Already? Ha! Very interesting, don't you think? Let's hear those conspiracy theories!

07-14-10, 04:36 PM	#45
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Anal Probing anyone? We come in peace, now drop your pants and let us fondle your ass. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!