Helen Thomas - Lets move to Germany and Poland

Originally Posted by Dimitrius07

Another lost case or 3rd reich in action.



I heard this long time ago in fact, it was from a religion of "peace". Before you post your same old garbage i want you to know that i like you a lot , really!! I mean it .

O well home sweet home, pogroms, night of the broken glass and so on.... There is no better place that home

I just can't see how you can play Silent Hunter 2, 3, and 5 that are based on Nazi Germany WWII U-boats that sank ships carrying Jew supporting allies but have a problem with some old woman and her $0.02 about modern day Israel? Do you play as a rogue U-boat Captain that commits high treason against Nazi Germany by sinking your own ships or something?

You know, if ANY other country occupied an area the way Israel is occupying Palestine they'd be slapped with war crimes against humanity by the UN. But because it's Israel nobody feels compelled to say anything negative about what they're doing because of the whole Holocaust ordeal and the sheer hatred 90% of the world shares with Israel against the Arabs. It's sort of like how a black man can be blatantly racist towards a white man in America and nobody says or does crap about it, but if the white man said anything about the black man, he'd be labeled a racist and damn near jailed for it. You can't even be against Obama if your white without being labeled a racist! That's how ridiculous it's gotten!

I'm not sure if it passed or not, but New York tried to make it a punishable crime to for a white man to call a black man the "N" word. They wanted it to fall under "hate crime". I think the "freedom of speech" laws prevented that from actually passing and I'm glad if that's the case. Too many folks wear their feelings on their sleeves these days but seem all to eager to dole out medicine they aren't willing to take themselves!

Your comments about Helen Thomas being "third reich" are a lot more offensive than what her feelings were about Israel though. You just called her a Jew murdering Nazi more or less and all she did was answer a question about how she felt about Israel. That's not even close to being in the same league!

I'm glad she retired though. She should have used better tact during the interview then what she did and she knows it. A good reporter never lets anyone know how they really feel about anything. They're supposed to be neutral in appearance but that seems to be going away a lot these days as several reporters have made it very evident how they truly feel about things going on in the media. You mostly see this in left vs right politics in America. It's a shame because reporters are being used as political tools to steer people into following a specific ideological path instead of allowing people to just hear the facts and making up their own minds.

To me, it will be a sad day in America if verbal racism is ever criminally punished under the law. To me, that's just censorship and is clearly unconstitutional. It's a way for one side to silence the other side and that's just wrong. Everybody should be able to express themselves freely without restraints on those feelings whenever and wherever. It's only those foolish enough to physically act out on their feelings that should be held accountable. But there's nothing wrong with verbal communication in my book. Labeling a person as a racist for verbally expressing their feelings is just wrong. Why not try to befriend them instead and show them why they are wrong about you? All name calling and labeling does is makes them hate you even more and it creates a non-stop cycle of hatred!

I always found it funny when I worked in corrections and I saw how the blacks and whites segregated themselves in the cafeteria. Black people back in the day wanted white people to give them a chance, and still do, yet they've never seemed very eager to actually sit down with white folks and get to know them. Instead, most of them like to distance themselves from whites and label them as racists because the whites aren't getting up and sitting down with them. But where I come from, if you want something - you've got to get it yourself! And that's just my $0.02!

[Skybird]

Offending some person in public by calling him harsh names or showing him obsecene gestures can bring you to court, at least in germany. Even easier that could happen if that person wears a police uniform.

You can also be brought to court for defamation of character (Rufmord), or slander (Verleumdung, üble Nachrede).

Racism, ignoring the origin of it in a person'S thinking, is all that in one, generalised for a whole people. Why not bringing people to court if insulting a person with active racist behaviour? By "active" I mean that the offender really must have done something active like approaching a person and then calling him names, or making racist statements in public. Passive behavior like just being there, or just in your habits refusing to deal with somebody you do not like, should not be persecuted. It also would be a huge unvitation for what we see happening with Islam so often these days: to be accused of racism for just refusing to like it and insisting of wanting to behave not in accordance with it.

The term racism today is abused and mis-defined a lot these days, but that does not chn age the fact that it has a clearly defined, well laid out meaning, which - if limited to this basis - serves well as a reason why to bring somebody to court if he shows active behavior that qualifies as racist offending.

Not douj ng so would also deplete us of one weapon to piush back Islamic crowds in German cities who often are openly racist against Jews.

thgat the laws are not used agai8nst Islamic antisemitism and racism, or that racism is allowed to get hijacked by politcal correctness brigades for enforcing collective Islamophilia, is a problem that we have to accept responsibility for, and that is home-made, by ouselves.Nobody forced us to gio this way. But these failures of ours, these abuses of relatively clear, strict defintions of what it is, do not chnage the fact that active racism under many circumstances can be seen and is being seen as a punishable crime.

The call often may be hard to make, and it may be difficult for a court to correctly identify where the line is set that differs what is punishable from what is not. Nevertheless I think it is important that courts embark on this challenge, becasue I see in our modern every-day present where it leads to when every diffamation and offence and lie is accepted because precious claims that these acts are motivated by a religion make them untouchable. so, yes, the difference between what is covered by freedom of speech, and racism, may be hard to make, but I think in a social community there must be rules to make living-together as smooth and conflict-free as possible in such acrowd, and while there can be a relatively huge ammount of freedom being achieved, I certainly do not want an anarchy with total, unlimited feedom for everybody that only gets decided by who is stronger, yells louder and gets out his gun faster. That kind of Wild West freedom really is the last thing we could need on a planet with 6 billion people, counting up.

Civilisation and culture is not about having total freedom for everybody, that simply is impossible. It is about giving everybody the highest possible ammount of freedom without that being at costs for others that are higher than the costs to you, it is about legal protection of basic rights no matter whether you are strong or weak, and justice.

Without justice, freedom is worth not much. Without freedom, justice is not worth much. You want both, and thus you have to accept that you cannot have total freedom for yourself - because at the cost of all others that necessarily would be.

[caspofungin]

And a lot of it isn't. With every other country in the world, one can rightly criticize the foreign policy decisions of a country without being accused of religious or racial bias. But in the case of Israel, they can't. It's a total BS cop-out.

that's why there's never going to be an intelligent objective discussion about israel/palestine, let alone some kind of solution. because the instant anyone suggests anything to the detriment of israel, they're accused of anti-semitism.

[MH]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

With every other country in the world, one can rightly criticize the foreign policy decisions of a country without being accused of religious or racial bias. But in the case of Israel, they can't. It's a total BS cop-out.

Yes it is total BS to me when some interned wise guy thinks he has a right to a opinion about right of existence of Israel.
There is a big difference between disagreeing with foreign policy of Israel and telling all Jews to **** of back to Europe.
What made you think that you have a right to your country and i don't.
Jews are not a nation?-tell this to 6 million dead who tried to be German or Polish or French.
But again its like accusing you of antisemitism or playing on your guilt right?
If something makes you feel antisemitic maybe you really are....

Actually i don't give damn if you are antisemitic or feel guilty or not.
I give damn about that that my grandfather called himself a Pole and almost got gazzed -he was a lucky one.
I give damn about that all French Jews who were put on first class(thats French style) trains to Auschwitz

You want to criticize Israeli politics then do it but don't decide for me if i have a right to live here.

If Palestinians were giving **** about themselves they could have their country from 17 years ago.
If you spoke to any common Palestinian above 40 you would know that they actually miss the pre PLO and Hammas times.
They miss proper Israeli occupation.(im not sure you know what im talking about here lol)

Opening thread like this is BS too.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

Indeed.

Or again.

[Letum]

History has many things to teach us about where we have been and
where we shouldn't go again, but it is very poor at telling us where we
should go next.
Little good has come from people who say "Event 'a' happened in the past
and therefore we/you should do action 'x' in the future".

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by caspofungin

that's why there's never going to be an intelligent objective discussion about israel/palestine, let alone some kind of solution. because the instant anyone suggests anything to the detriment of israel, they're accused of anti-semitism.

well, when many comments are along the line of "the jews should leave Palestine" or "israel is guilty of war crimes", blah, blah, blah, you will not get any type of mature discussion, just the type of mindless posturing we had in the "flotilla" thread.

Any type of lasting peace in the region has as a pre-requisite that Israel's security within its pre-1967 borders be garanteed. Anything less than that is not even worth discussing.

[Tchocky]

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Very well, we must give Pangaea back to the the Pangaeans.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

[image]

Haha!
I had just googled pangea and put it in my post, but then decided against it.
Glad someone did.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

well, when many comments are along the line of "the jews should leave Palestine" or "israel is guilty of war crimes", blah, blah, blah, you will not get any type of mature discussion, just the type of mindless posturing we had in the "flotilla" thread.

Any type of lasting peace in the region has as a pre-requisite that Israel's security within its pre-1967 borders be garanteed. Anything less than that is not even worth discussing.

But are any of those people ever protesting against the crimes committed by the Palestinian terrorists or other terror organizations?
Not a single democracy in worlds Muslim countries?
It reveals something very sinister about these people.

It is also a good example how effective the brainwash, organized from Moscow, by the KGB, was among Western Socialists during the Cold War.

Now it supports itself without support, new generations have been raised by parents that have been taught to hate Israel.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

But are any of those people ever protesting against the crimes committed by the Palestinian terrorists or other terror organizations?

Palestinian terror is wrong and stupid. But that does not change the fact that they have been wronged.

Not a single democracy in worlds Muslim countries?
It reveals something very sinister about these people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey

But anyway, what exactly does it reveal? Does the paucity of democratic governments in Africa reveal something sinister about Africans? Are they bad people?

It is also a good example how effective the brainwash, organized from Moscow, by the KGB, was among Western Socialists during the Cold War.

Yes, wanting justice for the Palestinians 1) equals hatred of Israel and 2) obviously could only have been implanted in Western minds by the KGB.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by MH

You want to criticize Israeli politics then do it but don't decide for me if i have a right to live here.

Can we criticize your right to live in a settlement in the West Bank? Or is that anti-semitism too?

[Happy Times]

Palestinian terror is wrong and stupid. But that does not change the fact that they have been wronged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey

Turkeys democracy i dont consider working at the moment especially.

But anyway, what exactly does it reveal? Does the paucity of democratic governments in Africa reveal something sinister about Africans? Are they bad people?

I was talking about lack of condemnation of these goverments.

Yes, wanting justice for the Palestinians 1) equals hatred of Israel and 2) obviously could only have been implanted in Western minds by the KGB.

You really should look honestly about the history of the KGB Active measures, trying to belittle their effect reveals only ignorance.

What i know about them in my country i dont believe that they didnt have the same effect in other European countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures

Promotion of terrorist organizations worldwide

Soviet secret services have been described as "the primary instructors of terrorists worldwide"[3][22][23] According to Ion Mihai Pacepa, KGB General Aleksandr Sakharovsky once said: "In today’s world, when nuclear arms have made military force obsolete, terrorism should become our main weapon."[24] He also claimed that "Airplane hijacking is my own invention". In 1969 alone 82 planes were hijacked worldwide by the KGB-financed PLO.[24] George Habash, who worked under KGB guidance[1] , explained:
"Killing one Jew far away from the field of battle is more effective than killing a hundred Jews on the field of battle, because it attracts more attention."[24]

Lt. General Ion Mihai Pacepa described operation "SIG" (“Zionist Governments”) that was devised in 1972, to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the United States. KGB chairman Yury Andropov allegedly explained to Pacepa that
"a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States"[25]

The following liberation organizations have been allegedly established by the KGB: PLO, National Liberation Army of Bolivia (created in 1964 with help from Ernesto Che Guevara); the National Liberation Army of Colombia (created in 1965 with help from Cuba), Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine in 1969, and the Secret Army for Liberation of Armenia in 1975.[26]

[Tchocky]

If the present situation is a result of that effort, I would hardly call it effective.