Helen Thomas - Lets move to Germany and Poland

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by caspofungin

that's why there's never going to be an intelligent objective discussion about israel/palestine, let alone some kind of solution. because the instant anyone suggests anything to the detriment of israel, they're accused of anti-semitism.

well, when many comments are along the line of "the jews should leave Palestine" or "israel is guilty of war crimes", blah, blah, blah, you will not get any type of mature discussion, just the type of mindless posturing we had in the "flotilla" thread.

Any type of lasting peace in the region has as a pre-requisite that Israel's security within its pre-1967 borders be garanteed. Anything less than that is not even worth discussing.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

well, when many comments are along the line of "the jews should leave Palestine" or "israel is guilty of war crimes", blah, blah, blah, you will not get any type of mature discussion, just the type of mindless posturing we had in the "flotilla" thread.

Any type of lasting peace in the region has as a pre-requisite that Israel's security within its pre-1967 borders be garanteed. Anything less than that is not even worth discussing.

But are any of those people ever protesting against the crimes committed by the Palestinian terrorists or other terror organizations?
Not a single democracy in worlds Muslim countries?
It reveals something very sinister about these people.

It is also a good example how effective the brainwash, organized from Moscow, by the KGB, was among Western Socialists during the Cold War.

Now it supports itself without support, new generations have been raised by parents that have been taught to hate Israel.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

But are any of those people ever protesting against the crimes committed by the Palestinian terrorists or other terror organizations?

Palestinian terror is wrong and stupid. But that does not change the fact that they have been wronged.

Not a single democracy in worlds Muslim countries?
It reveals something very sinister about these people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey

But anyway, what exactly does it reveal? Does the paucity of democratic governments in Africa reveal something sinister about Africans? Are they bad people?

It is also a good example how effective the brainwash, organized from Moscow, by the KGB, was among Western Socialists during the Cold War.

Yes, wanting justice for the Palestinians 1) equals hatred of Israel and 2) obviously could only have been implanted in Western minds by the KGB.

[Happy Times]

Palestinian terror is wrong and stupid. But that does not change the fact that they have been wronged.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey

Turkeys democracy i dont consider working at the moment especially.

But anyway, what exactly does it reveal? Does the paucity of democratic governments in Africa reveal something sinister about Africans? Are they bad people?

I was talking about lack of condemnation of these goverments.

Yes, wanting justice for the Palestinians 1) equals hatred of Israel and 2) obviously could only have been implanted in Western minds by the KGB.

You really should look honestly about the history of the KGB Active measures, trying to belittle their effect reveals only ignorance.

What i know about them in my country i dont believe that they didnt have the same effect in other European countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures

Promotion of terrorist organizations worldwide

Soviet secret services have been described as "the primary instructors of terrorists worldwide"[3][22][23] According to Ion Mihai Pacepa, KGB General Aleksandr Sakharovsky once said: "In today’s world, when nuclear arms have made military force obsolete, terrorism should become our main weapon."[24] He also claimed that "Airplane hijacking is my own invention". In 1969 alone 82 planes were hijacked worldwide by the KGB-financed PLO.[24] George Habash, who worked under KGB guidance[1] , explained:
"Killing one Jew far away from the field of battle is more effective than killing a hundred Jews on the field of battle, because it attracts more attention."[24]

Lt. General Ion Mihai Pacepa described operation "SIG" (“Zionist Governments”) that was devised in 1972, to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the United States. KGB chairman Yury Andropov allegedly explained to Pacepa that
"a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States"[25]

The following liberation organizations have been allegedly established by the KGB: PLO, National Liberation Army of Bolivia (created in 1964 with help from Ernesto Che Guevara); the National Liberation Army of Colombia (created in 1965 with help from Cuba), Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine in 1969, and the Secret Army for Liberation of Armenia in 1975.[26]

[Tchocky]

If the present situation is a result of that effort, I would hardly call it effective.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

You really should look honestly about the history of the KGB Active measures, trying to belittle their effect reveals only ignorance.

What i know about them in my country i dont believe that they didnt have the same effect in other European countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures

Islamic world != Western world. And I don't think the KGB's efforts were particularly necessary in instilling hatred of Israel in the House of Islam.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Islamic world != Western world. And I don't think the KGB's efforts were particularly necessary in instilling hatred of Israel in the House of Islam.

Ignorance is a bliss.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Ignorance is a bliss.

So you've provided no evidence for your claim, yet doubting it amounts to ignorance?