Report: Israel attacks flotilla, 10 die - Page 18

SteamWake · 06-01-10, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by msxyz

This was just an average rioting mob you'll find outside a stadium or vehemently protesting in the town squares..

Bwahhhh ha ha ha.. erm okay if you say so.

I would say there agent provocateurs.

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One of the commandos told reporters he descended by rope from a helicopter onto one of the six ships in the convoy and was immediately attacked by a group of people waiting for them.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...ch-us-1.293089

06-01-10, 01:23 PM

What's with the police-examples? Are you trying to imply that the Israelis are like the world's policemen? Wasn't that Ah-mu-ri-ca's job? Shouldn't you call the Israelis the world's deputy policemen, or something?

Oh hi Steamwake, how's that oil slick - thing going? Sucessfull?

GoldenRivet · 06-01-10, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

What's with the police-examples? Are you trying to imply that the Israelis are like the world's policemen? Wasn't that Ah-mu-ri-ca's job? Shouldn't you call the Israelis the world's deputy policemen, or something?

Police example is used because most of the members of this forum are probably more likely to have dealt with the local police as an authority figure than they are to have dealt with military police, soldiers, SWAT or other specialized paramilitary forces.

you still have not answered my question

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@ Foxtrot

you dont know yet. all you know is that someone in a police cruiser is attempting to make a stop. thats all the data you have

Dowly · 06-01-10, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

you still have not answered my question

Nor he will.

Foxtrot · 06-01-10, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

you still have not answered my question

I think your question is a bit incomplete. The said police is following what rules of engagement? local laws or international laws? Shall we consider the said police as United Nations?

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

you dont know yet. all you know is that someone in a police cruiser is attempting to make a stop. thats all the data you have

Of course I have to know. I am in neutral territory, and then only police can stop me is UN with a defined set of laws. I won't stop if Naval Police of Antarctica is trying to stop me near North Pole. They simply have no jurisdiction there.

Bilge_Rat · 06-01-10, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Nor he will.

maybe not, but its fun to watch.

GoldenRivet · 06-01-10, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxtrot

I think your question is a bit incomplete. The said police is following what rules of engagement? local laws or international laws? Shall we consider the said police as United Nations?

its a simple question.

you dont know what you have done wrong... you dont know whether or not they are in XXX jurisdiction, you dont know what the ROE is... all you know is an officer is trying to pull you over.

no spins or tricks

its very easy... almost as easy as "what color is the black horse?"

tater · 06-01-10, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

What's with the police-examples? Are you trying to imply that the Israelis are like the world's policemen? Wasn't that Ah-mu-ri-ca's job? Shouldn't you call the Israelis the world's deputy policemen, or something?

Answer the simple question. There was no comparison of Israel to the police, the question is about how in general to respond to armed authorities. Who they are matters not.

You have done nothing wrong, say at sea in the Gulf of Mexico. A Mexican vessel (coast guard) approaches, and wishes to board you, and does. Do you attack the boarders with sticks and knives, or do what they ask you to do? The authorities in the scenario ARE AT FAULT for boarding you in the first place—do you attack them, yes, or no?

A simple question.

pipin · 06-01-10, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

Going back to the legalities, I'm going to reverse my position.

Even UN member states have the right to use armed force and go to war in self-defense. Hamas' war against Israel certainly gives Israel the justification to use armed force in response. Therefore no UNSC resolution under Article VII is necessary to legitimize the blockade in international waters. The ongoing state of war is the only justification necessary.

It still does not seem legitimate to me...
Israel has no rights to extend it's blockade at will to 69 miles into int waters. It was at 48 miles before this event.

the NATO demand for immediate restituition of ships passengers and cargo reported two posts above speaks for itself about the legitimacy of this boarding...

06-01-10, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

Answer the simple question. There was no comparison of Israel to the police, the question is about how in general to respond to armed authorities. Who they are matters not.

You have done nothing wrong, say at sea in the Gulf of Mexico. A Mexican vessel (coast guard) approaches, and wishes to board you, and does. Do you attack the boarders with sticks and knives, or do what they ask you to do? The authorities in the scenario ARE AT FAULT for boarding you in the first place—do you attack them, yes, or no?

A simple question.

In the Gulf of Mexico? Well first I'd look around to see if I'd be in the middle of the oil slick and if so I'd be very carefull about throwing any matches in the water.

Then I'd ask the Mexicans if they have any good tequila and mujeres waiting for me at the home port and upon receiving a positive answer I'd let them tow me to the home port.

Molon Labe · 06-01-10, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pipin

It still does not seem legitimate to me...
Israel has no rights to extend it's blockade at will to 69 miles into int waters. It was at 48 miles before this event.

the NATO demand for immediate restituition of ships passengers and cargo reported two posts above speaks for itself about the legitimacy of this boarding...

When you're at war, you can do a lot of things that would otherwise be illegal. Like fly into another state's airspace and drop bombs on their territory.

A blockade in international waters is an act of war. Usually, that's a reason for calling it illegitimate. Except when there is already a war on.

GoldenRivet · 06-01-10, 01:42 PM

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Then I'd ask the Mexicans if they have any good tequila and mujeres waiting for me at the home port and upon receiving a positive answer I'd let them tow me to the home port.

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GoldenRivet · 06-01-10, 01:43 PM

DOWLY "You would see they have no tequila... then stab them in the face"

exactly... then he would wonder why they gunned him down and sunk his dingy

Dowly · 06-01-10, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

@ Dowly

exactly... then he would wonder why they gunned him down and sunk his dingy

You're too fast.

GoldenRivet · 06-01-10, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

You're too fast.

Im waiting to go to work... so every day life is on hold.

ie... i got nothing better to do than sit here and laugh at the inability of others to respond to simple questions.

even when they get a multiple choice !!!

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	DOWLY "You would see they have no tequila... then stab them in the face" exactly... then he would wonder why they gunned him down and sunk his dingy __________________

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OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	What's with the police-examples? Are you trying to imply that the Israelis are like the world's policemen? Wasn't that Ah-mu-ri-ca's job? Shouldn't you call the Israelis the world's deputy policemen, or something? Oh hi Steamwake, how's that oil slick - thing going? Sucessfull?