Silent Hunter 3 vs. Silent Hunter 5 ... who's the best?

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by jwilliams

.... SH5 will win this battle, i'm sure of it.

This is UNSTOPPABLE , Silent Hunter 5 will win this battle


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[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by tonschk

This is UNSTOPABLE , Silent Hunter 5 will win this battle

I'm hoping it will. In fact I'm sure it will.


But not today.




On the other hand, while I'm waiting for my new graphics card to arrive I booted up Aces Of The Deep. After fourteen years this old classic is still fun!

[Subnuts]

95 posts later, people who prefer SH5 to SH3 still can't think up a better reason than "because it's prettier!" Is U-571 a better movie than Das Boot because it has better special effects? Is Jane's Warship Recognition Guide better than Combat Fleets of the World because it's in color?

[kylania]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

95 posts later, people who prefer SH5 to SH3 still can't think up a better reason than "because it's prettier!"

That's because they are busy playing the wonderfully modded SH5 game rather than trolling the forums of a game they don't even play, like the SH3 crowd is doing.

[SteelViking]

Originally Posted by kylania

That's because they are busy playing the wonderfully modded SH5 game rather than trolling the forums of a game they don't even play, like the SH3 crowd is doing.

Oh, the truth is funny sometimes.

If people would just give SH5 the chance they would see things differently. When I first got SH5, I was furious, in fact, I uninstalled it and shelved it for about a 2 weeks. So many things were broken, and WERE WORSE than SHIII or SHIV. But, guess what folks. The modders have been busting their butts. Plus, two patches have come out. And now, if you have the right mods, SH5 is awesome in my opinion, and not just how it looks. Seriously, get SH5, try these mods, actually play it for a while, and then see how much you want to cut it down. Otherwise, I wish people would stop talking negatively about something that they have no idea about.
Soup time:
AilBubbles 1.0 Micro
AilImpurity 1.2
Azs_Caustic_Mod
MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 Stock faces
Conus' Graphic Mod R7Comp
Window_Lights_Redone_V1
Wamphyri's Plane Mod
U-Boat Killer
Terrain_harbour_flags_Mod_v1_1
Nauticalwolf's Interior Mod V1.0
Old Style Explosions V1.1
sobers hatch mod
SteelVikingsAtlanticWaterv2
Enhanced FunelSmoke_by HanSolo78
Dooms Decks for VIIABC41 1.4
Capthelms Audio
NewUIs_TDC_2_5_0_Twisty_periscope_thingies
sobers multi color mod
BRF 1.3 lite
Sub_Exhaust_1_0_2_byTheDarkWraith
reaper7's Sky Mod
Environment MOD_2.1exp
sobers base wave mechanics for SH5 v3
Reaper7 HiRes Mod

[janh]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

95 posts later, people who prefer SH5 to SH3 still can't think up a better reason than "because it's prettier!" Is U-571 a better movie than Das Boot because it has better special effects? Is Jane's Warship Recognition Guide better than Combat Fleets of the World because it's in color?

I assume you don't really want to hear the obvious answer.... But you are right on the mark. The times that I switched to a new game (and usually had to buy a new computer as well) for a new graphics engine are long over. I don't expect hyper-photorealism -- it is still a game. So it needs to have features and content that make it fun, maybe even teach me a thing or two about history, technics etc, and an AI that gives my brain something to agonize about.

For SHV, that still would be the wolfpacks, which were the last major detail missing in SHIII to really recreate a historical WW2 in the Atlantic. Other than that, I would rather invest my $$ into something new, other than "another very similar" submarine simulation.

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

95 posts later, people who prefer SH5 to SH3 still can't think up a better reason than "because it's prettier!" Is U-571 a better movie than Das Boot because it has better special effects? Is Jane's Warship Recognition Guide better than Combat Fleets of the World because it's in color?

whats a better reason one should play sh3 as opposed to sh5? is the game play really that dramatically different? honestly? im hoping those who have actually played both will answer.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

whats a better reason one should play sh3 as opposed to sh5? is the game play really that dramatically different? honestly?

Half the war is missing. Every uboat type except the VIIs are missing. SH3 is dramatically different and dramatically better than SH5 in this respect.

Also; no magic soup.

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

Half the war is missing. Every uboat type except the VIIs are missing. SH3 is dramatically different and dramatically better than SH5 in this respect.

Also; no magic soup.

wow, those are game breaking differences i guess... 2 years of the war are missing and historically, they were not very good years for submariners.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

wow, those are game breaking differences i guess... 2 years of the war are missing and historically, they were not very good years for submariners.

No you're right they are not at all gamebreaking , trouble is - those last two years of the war are in my opinion the best part.

The part where you are struggling just to stay alive , where you have to try to sink ships and evade. I was under for 6 hours the other night trying to evade destroyers.

In Sh5 it's all I can do to get the bloody things to chase me lol.

Apples and pears, horses and courses - what I like, you may not , why worry?

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

whats a better reason one should play sh3 as opposed to sh5? is the game play really that dramatically different? honestly? im hoping those who have actually played both will answer.

Again no offense intended to all our modders here....

Try playing SH 3 with GWX loaded, start off in say 1943....

Tell me if the first convoy you hit:

1) you either die before you even get to a convoy because the AI is that good, and your using vanilla tactics

2) if you DO live... tell me your not pooping your pants during the 3-4 hours you spend trying to evade the ticked of DD's....


Sorry...as pretty as SH5 is.... it cant hold a candle to the AI in GWX. And AI has Z E R O to do with grahpic improvements.... the scripting is about the same in SH5 as SH3.... but yet the devs, with the source code and money, still made the AI as dumb as a box of rocks.

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by Faamecanic

Again no offense intended to all our modders here....

Try playing SH 3 with GWX loaded, start off in say 1943....

Tell me if the first convoy you hit:

1) you either die before you even get to a convoy because the AI is that good, and your using vanilla tactics

2) if you DO live... tell me your not pooping your pants during the 3-4 hours you spend trying to evade the ticked of DD's....


Sorry...as pretty as SH5 is.... it cant hold a candle to the AI in GWX. And AI has Z E R O to do with grahpic improvements.... the scripting is about the same in SH5 as SH3.... but yet the devs, with the source code and money, still made the AI as dumb as a box of rocks.

lets at least compare them both stock to be fair, or give sh5 time to catch up in the mod department. it wont take as long as sh3 took to be good i bet

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

lets at least compare them both stock to be fair, or give sh5 time to catch up in the mod department. it wont take as long as sh3 took to be good i bet

But that is hardly fair, as discussed in another thread (or was it this one).

SH5 has had the benefit of TIME. TIME the Devs should have used outside a vacuum to see what made GWX such a huge hit.

Instead when SH 5 STILL has SH 3 bugs in it...I think it perfectly fair to compare the two.

[nemo7]

Originally Posted by Faamecanic

Again no offense intended to all our modders here....

Try playing SH 3 with GWX loaded, start off in say 1943....

Tell me if the first convoy you hit:

1) you either die before you even get to a convoy because the AI is that good, and your using vanilla tactics

2) if you DO live... tell me your not pooping your pants during the 3-4 hours you spend trying to evade the ticked of DD's....


Sorry...as pretty as SH5 is.... it cant hold a candle to the AI in GWX. And AI has Z E R O to do with grahpic improvements.... the scripting is about the same in SH5 as SH3.... but yet the devs, with the source code and money, still made the AI as dumb as a box of rocks.

+1 Plus excellent U-boat boyancy and dynamic campaign. SH3 is the most dark and gritty U-boat sim ever made. By far...

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

whats a better reason one should play sh3 as opposed to sh5? is the game play really that dramatically different? honestly? I'm hoping those who have actually played both will answer.

I play both and at the moment I prefer SH3 plus these mods

GWX - Alternate Loadscreen - Full Circle
GWX - Alternative Flotillas
GWX - Axis Mediterranean Aircraft Skins
GWX - Captain America's Officer Icons
GWX - Enhanced Damage Effects
GWX - Integrated Orders
GWX - Late War Sensors Snorkel Antennas
GWX - Main movie - 'Das Boot'
GWX - No Medals on Crew
GWX - Open Hatch Mod
GWX - VIIC41 Player Sub
Flags_enlighten
LifeBoats&Debris_v4
Radio Deutschland
FlatSunFix for M.E.P v3
GWX - Merged Campaign
M.E.P v3
MEP v3 VisualSensors for gwx3
WBNN Mission Orders Lite
WB's Decks Awash
SKIN - IXBC - Bismark
Real Depth Charge
Torpedo damage Final ver2.0
Pascal_Port_People
Thomsen's Sound Pack V3.2cg
Splash Screens Package VII
RadioMessage - MorseCodeOnly
Ice Age

I find the GWX experience second to none - SH5 is a good game but:

until there is a better variety of targets, until the campaign is changed to something a bit more realistic, until there are more types of U Boat available, Until you can play to '45...

Then SH3 + mods will win for me.

I should add that as long as there is interest in SH5 , and the mods keep coming for it, I expect that in a year or two my opinion will change.

But for now - that's my take on this whole thread.

What does it really matter anyway - as long as you are enjoying the game that you are playing , who cares what anyone else thinks?