South Park incurs the wrath of Mohammed

tater · 05-06-10, 04:25 PM

http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.co...on-series.html

Comedy Central planning on a Jesus cartoon. Wonder how many deaths result? LOL.

Bilge_Rat · 05-06-10, 04:50 PM

since Neal declared this thread a free fire zone, does that mean "Ahmed & Salim" are allowed?

http://www.ahmedandsalim.com/?page=p...ay=rXMIQDVOs98

tater · 05-06-10, 05:09 PM

http://www.jesusandmo.net/

05-06-10, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.co...on-series.html

Comedy Central planning on a Jesus cartoon. Wonder how many deaths result? LOL.

You'd be surprised.

And that's just one example.

tater · 05-06-10, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

You'd be surprised.

And that's just one example.

How many died again?

Oh yeah, zero. Gotcha. Looks like the only violence was in (of all places) FRANCE. LOL.

How about the crucifix in urine photo (Piss Christ)? Nope, no violence. Protests, but protest is FINE, as are boycotts—the market at work. Most of that protest revolved around the art being paid for by the government to the tune of $15,000. The Holy Virgin Mary with female genital images cut from porno mags? Nope, no violence there, either.

If you are going to compare, your Religion of PEace (Islam) benchmarks are:

Theo Van Gogh's murder for Submission. (And Ayaan Hirsi Ali's life under guard following that).

The Danish cartoons.

Salman Rushdie.

The list goes on. Note also the self-censorship of the idiotic, PC western press.

So for Christian art, find us some murders, or credible threats at least.

05-06-10, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

How many died again?

Oh yeah, zero. Gotcha. Looks like the only violence was in (of all places) FRANCE. LOL.

How about the crucifix in urine photo (Piss Christ)? Nope, no violence. Protests, but protest is FINE, as are boycotts—the market at work. Most of that protest revolved around the art being paid for by the government to the tune of $15,000. The Holy Virgin Mary with female genital images cut from porno mags? Nope, no violence there, either.

We've had cases of blasphemy where the offenders have served time in prisons here in Finland, not to mention the more poorer christian nations where stuff like killing gays etc. is very common. Haven't heard much if anything from the pope condemning any of that. He's too busy organising the acquittals of pedophile priests etc.

tater · 05-06-10, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

We've had cases of blasphemy where the offenders have served time in prisons here in Finland, not to mention the more poorer christian nations where stuff like killing gays etc. is very common. Haven't heard much if anything from the pope condemning any of that.

Wow, nothing personal, but I'd not live in a country where I could be jailed for blasphemy, that's, well, medieval. Heck, I'd not live someplace without explicit separation of church and state for the same reason. Creepy.

I'm not talking ancient history, think in the last decade or so (yes, I am well aware that the Catholic church was complicit in the Nazi regime, and never even excommunicated Hitler (a later pope excommunicated all commies with one signature, however, lol)).

We're talking about ART, and the population at large violently protesting because it is blasphemous.

05-06-10, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

Wow, nothing personal, but I'd not live in a country where I could be jailed for blasphemy, that's, well, medieval. Heck, I'd not live someplace without explicit separation of church and state for the same reason. Creepy.

I'm not talking ancient history, think in the last decade or so (yes, I am well aware that the Catholic church was complicit in the Nazi regime, and never even excommunicated Hitler (a later pope excommunicated all commies with one signature, however, lol)).

We're talking about ART, and the population at large violently protesting because it is blasphemous.

Yes, you'd rather live in place where the native population was purged only some 100 + years ago. I think that's creepy.

But yes, my country has religion but to say that there is no christianity in US society would be a lie. In god we trust etc.

What population is protesting against the South Park-thing? Wasn't it just bunch of guys somewhere posting something on the internet...kind of like us, eh?

tater · 05-06-10, 05:49 PM

Every country on earth exists because some people at some point banged whoever was there first over the head and took it from them. That's just life for violent Homo sapiens.

I'd be less worried about killing indians over 100 years ago than being an ally of nazi germany 70 years ago—the total death toll of native americans in the USA was only in the thousands, horrible as even that was (the bulk of deaths in the Americas (millions) happened from disease shortly after the Scandinavians and Spanish arrived). That said, both are not relevant to modern history, they are for this conversation "ancient history" with nothing to do with modern people.

As for Christianity in the US, that's true, but again, it is not mandated by the state, and every single time someone brings up even ridiculous claims of the state adopting religion, it gets struck down (the state religious stuff). Every time.

As an aside, examples from here in New Mexico are town seals (the town "logo") that have crosses on them—many dating back hundreds of years to the Spaniards. The funny one is for the town of Las Cruces (the crosses). It has crosses, lol. They want the crosses removed, but apparently not the NAME, heheh. If it goes to the State supreme court, it will be tried in our capital, Santa Fe (Holy Faith). Santa Fe is in the foothills of the Sangre de Christo mountains. LOL. Some stuff is just historical, and they (atheists) need to chill out (and I'm an atheist, myself).

SteamWake · 05-06-10, 05:51 PM

Ya know I wasent gonna bring this up but the thread got necro'd. so..

It is a fact that the Times Square bomber set his 'bomb' right in front of Comedy Central. Now it may very well be that it was a convienent parking spot.

Yea I know... (dons tin foil)

Dowly · 05-07-10, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

We've had cases of blasphemy where the offenders have served time in prisons here in Finland...

Very VERY rarely. I think the latest prison sentence was in 2000something and that involved hate speech aswell, not just blasphemy. I'd imagine that without the hate speech, he wouldn't have gone to jail.

silver · 05-07-10, 05:51 AM

@CaptainHaplo:
Basically you are right though a little bit extreme IMHO.
It's not entirely their fault.

Some blame should be apportioned to the politicians: (who else make laws?)
They haven't made it clear to these people that the country or place they wish
to live from now on is totally different than theirs and even worse,
it hasn't been founded and built having them in mind.
Occasionally they may find one or more (or all) things offensive, insulting etc.
they are 100% right but there is nothing that can be done about it.
Also what works and is OK in Greece, Greenland and England may not work elsewhere,
(countries and places are completely random, there is nothing wrong or negative
or special with them, just an example) and should they find the situation intolerable
then they should consider Sweeden and Sudan instead. (again, random)

A reply like: 'this is pretty obvious' is only marginally true, if at all.

That would be a fair deal (IMHO) to these people and prevent some of the problems that
emerge too frequently these days. South Park is one of these problems for now, next
month it will be something else.

Perhaps their actions make sense: they have the critical mass and they can influence politicians
and as a result they can get some (or a lot of) concessions, amendments etc. to their benefit.
Who wouldn't want to be re-elected?

CaptainHaplo · 05-07-10, 06:02 AM

I think we are in agreement Silver. I admit I tend to come across a little on the forceful side. Its their choice to be offended - and they have the right. Its a matter of what they do with that feeling that matters. After all, blowing people up is kinda offensive to the rest of us, and I am sure the people that experience it don't care much for it.

As for politicians being responsible, I think its society as a whole really. After all, society is the one that has made political correctness into a science, as well as society is the one to blame for continuing to elect the morons.

By the way - welcome aboard!

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SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Ya know I wasent gonna bring this up but the thread got necro'd. so.. It is a fact that the Times Square bomber set his 'bomb' right in front of Comedy Central. Now it may very well be that it was a convienent parking spot. Yea I know... (dons tin foil) __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

05-07-10, 06:02 AM	#13
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I think we are in agreement Silver. I admit I tend to come across a little on the forceful side. Its their choice to be offended - and they have the right. Its a matter of what they do with that feeling that matters. After all, blowing people up is kinda offensive to the rest of us, and I am sure the people that experience it don't care much for it. As for politicians being responsible, I think its society as a whole really. After all, society is the one that has made political correctness into a science, as well as society is the one to blame for continuing to elect the morons. By the way - welcome aboard! __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

05-06-10, 04:25 PM	#1
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.co...on-series.html Comedy Central planning on a Jesus cartoon. Wonder how many deaths result? LOL.

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	http://www.jesusandmo.net/

05-06-10, 05:49 PM	#9
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Every country on earth exists because some people at some point banged whoever was there first over the head and took it from them. That's just life for violent Homo sapiens. I'd be less worried about killing indians over 100 years ago than being an ally of nazi germany 70 years ago—the total death toll of native americans in the USA was only in the thousands, horrible as even that was (the bulk of deaths in the Americas (millions) happened from disease shortly after the Scandinavians and Spanish arrived). That said, both are not relevant to modern history, they are for this conversation "ancient history" with nothing to do with modern people. As for Christianity in the US, that's true, but again, it is not mandated by the state, and every single time someone brings up even ridiculous claims of the state adopting religion, it gets struck down (the state religious stuff). Every time. As an aside, examples from here in New Mexico are town seals (the town "logo") that have crosses on them—many dating back hundreds of years to the Spaniards. The funny one is for the town of Las Cruces (the crosses). It has crosses, lol. They want the crosses removed, but apparently not the NAME, heheh. If it goes to the State supreme court, it will be tried in our capital, Santa Fe (Holy Faith). Santa Fe is in the foothills of the Sangre de Christo mountains. LOL. Some stuff is just historical, and they (atheists) need to chill out (and I'm an atheist, myself).

05-07-10, 05:51 AM	#12
silver Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 5 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	@CaptainHaplo: Basically you are right though a little bit extreme IMHO. It's not entirely their fault. Some blame should be apportioned to the politicians: (who else make laws?) They haven't made it clear to these people that the country or place they wish to live from now on is totally different than theirs and even worse, it hasn't been founded and built having them in mind. Occasionally they may find one or more (or all) things offensive, insulting etc. they are 100% right but there is nothing that can be done about it. Also what works and is OK in Greece, Greenland and England may not work elsewhere, (countries and places are completely random, there is nothing wrong or negative or special with them, just an example) and should they find the situation intolerable then they should consider Sweeden and Sudan instead. (again, random) A reply like: 'this is pretty obvious' is only marginally true, if at all. That would be a fair deal (IMHO) to these people and prevent some of the problems that emerge too frequently these days. South Park is one of these problems for now, next month it will be something else. Perhaps their actions make sense: they have the critical mass and they can influence politicians and as a result they can get some (or a lot of) concessions, amendments etc. to their benefit. Who wouldn't want to be re-elected?