South Park incurs the wrath of Mohammed

[tater]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

You'd be surprised.

And that's just one example.

How many died again?

Oh yeah, zero. Gotcha. Looks like the only violence was in (of all places) FRANCE. LOL.

How about the crucifix in urine photo (Piss Christ)? Nope, no violence. Protests, but protest is FINE, as are boycotts—the market at work. Most of that protest revolved around the art being paid for by the government to the tune of $15,000. The Holy Virgin Mary with female genital images cut from porno mags? Nope, no violence there, either.

If you are going to compare, your Religion of PEace (Islam) benchmarks are:

Theo Van Gogh's murder for Submission. (And Ayaan Hirsi Ali's life under guard following that).

The Danish cartoons.

Salman Rushdie.

The list goes on. Note also the self-censorship of the idiotic, PC western press.

So for Christian art, find us some murders, or credible threats at least.

Originally Posted by tater

How many died again?

Oh yeah, zero. Gotcha. Looks like the only violence was in (of all places) FRANCE. LOL.

How about the crucifix in urine photo (Piss Christ)? Nope, no violence. Protests, but protest is FINE, as are boycotts—the market at work. Most of that protest revolved around the art being paid for by the government to the tune of $15,000. The Holy Virgin Mary with female genital images cut from porno mags? Nope, no violence there, either.

We've had cases of blasphemy where the offenders have served time in prisons here in Finland, not to mention the more poorer christian nations where stuff like killing gays etc. is very common. Haven't heard much if anything from the pope condemning any of that. He's too busy organising the acquittals of pedophile priests etc.

[tater]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

We've had cases of blasphemy where the offenders have served time in prisons here in Finland, not to mention the more poorer christian nations where stuff like killing gays etc. is very common. Haven't heard much if anything from the pope condemning any of that.

Wow, nothing personal, but I'd not live in a country where I could be jailed for blasphemy, that's, well, medieval. Heck, I'd not live someplace without explicit separation of church and state for the same reason. Creepy.

I'm not talking ancient history, think in the last decade or so (yes, I am well aware that the Catholic church was complicit in the Nazi regime, and never even excommunicated Hitler (a later pope excommunicated all commies with one signature, however, lol)).

We're talking about ART, and the population at large violently protesting because it is blasphemous.

Originally Posted by tater

Wow, nothing personal, but I'd not live in a country where I could be jailed for blasphemy, that's, well, medieval. Heck, I'd not live someplace without explicit separation of church and state for the same reason. Creepy.

I'm not talking ancient history, think in the last decade or so (yes, I am well aware that the Catholic church was complicit in the Nazi regime, and never even excommunicated Hitler (a later pope excommunicated all commies with one signature, however, lol)).

We're talking about ART, and the population at large violently protesting because it is blasphemous.

Yes, you'd rather live in place where the native population was purged only some 100 + years ago. I think that's creepy.

But yes, my country has religion but to say that there is no christianity in US society would be a lie. In god we trust etc.

What population is protesting against the South Park-thing? Wasn't it just bunch of guys somewhere posting something on the internet...kind of like us, eh?

[tater]

Every country on earth exists because some people at some point banged whoever was there first over the head and took it from them. That's just life for violent Homo sapiens.

I'd be less worried about killing indians over 100 years ago than being an ally of nazi germany 70 years ago—the total death toll of native americans in the USA was only in the thousands, horrible as even that was (the bulk of deaths in the Americas (millions) happened from disease shortly after the Scandinavians and Spanish arrived). That said, both are not relevant to modern history, they are for this conversation "ancient history" with nothing to do with modern people.

As for Christianity in the US, that's true, but again, it is not mandated by the state, and every single time someone brings up even ridiculous claims of the state adopting religion, it gets struck down (the state religious stuff). Every time.

As an aside, examples from here in New Mexico are town seals (the town "logo") that have crosses on them—many dating back hundreds of years to the Spaniards. The funny one is for the town of Las Cruces (the crosses). It has crosses, lol. They want the crosses removed, but apparently not the NAME, heheh. If it goes to the State supreme court, it will be tried in our capital, Santa Fe (Holy Faith). Santa Fe is in the foothills of the Sangre de Christo mountains. LOL. Some stuff is just historical, and they (atheists) need to chill out (and I'm an atheist, myself).

[SteamWake]

Ya know I wasent gonna bring this up but the thread got necro'd. so..

It is a fact that the Times Square bomber set his 'bomb' right in front of Comedy Central. Now it may very well be that it was a convienent parking spot.

Yea I know... (dons tin foil)

[tater]

YEah, I think I mentioned in that thread that the truck was in front of viacom.

Btw in front of what building was the McVeigh truck parked? That's right.

[tater]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Btw in front of what building was the McVeigh truck parked? That's right.

What is your point, and how does this relate to Islamic terrorism in New York?

He attacked a Federal Building because he had a beef with the Federal Government. He was caught, and quite properly executed for his terrible crime.

Originally Posted by tater

What is your point, and how does this relate to Islamic terrorism in New York?

He attacked a Federal Building because he had a beef with the Federal Government. He was caught, and quite properly executed for his terrible crime.

Oh that's ok then to attack the federal government but not because of a religious motive which McVeigh 100% didn't have. What he did he did for the right reasons. I get it now.

Also his collaborators weren't tortured in order to obtain information that they refused to tell and have never told.

[silver]

Foreign people are just that: foreign people.
They have their own beliefs and values and sensitivities and way of thinking etc etc.
There is nothing wrong with that, it's OK, IMHO.

why bother so much?
It's neither the first nor the last time that they find something is offensive, obscene etc.

[tater]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Oh that's ok then to attack the federal government but not because of a religious motive which McVeigh 100% didn't have. What he did he did for the right reasons. I get it now.

Also his collaborators weren't tortured in order to obtain information that they refused to tell and have never told.

Terrorism is terrorism. I'd have had no problem with him interrogated the same way as islamists—if he was not a US citizen. As a US citizen (this times square guy, too) he deserves better treatment. Regardless, McVeigh was executed, remember? That's rather rougher than waterboarding.

The bottom line is that in the last 10 years there have been THOUSANDS of islamic terrorist events. The anti-federal American loon type? One.

You can always be relied on to post in favor of anyone who hates the US, I'm fine with that, it doesn't matter. The US is in a unique geopolitical position, and the world resents that.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by silver

Foreign people are just that: foreign people.
They have their own beliefs and values and sensitivities and way of thinking etc etc.
There is nothing wrong with that, it's OK, IMHO.

why bother so much?
It's neither the first nor the last time that they find something is offensive, obscene etc.

Silver - there is no issue when they have their own opinion. There is however a problem when they try - in a country that isn't theirs - to use violence or the threat of violence (direct or implied) to force compliance with their views. As you put it - they are foreign people with foreign views - and if they don't like ours - they can take their foreign A$$e$ elsewhere. We have freedom of the press and freedom of speech, whether they like it or not.

Originally Posted by tater

Terrorism is terrorism. I'd have had no problem with him interrogated the same way as islamists—if he was not a US citizen. As a US citizen (this times square guy, too) he deserves better treatment. Regardless, McVeigh was executed, remember? That's rather rougher than waterboarding.

The bottom line is that in the last 10 years there have been THOUSANDS of islamic terrorist events. The anti-federal American loon type? One.

You can always be relied on to post in favor of anyone who hates the US, I'm fine with that, it doesn't matter. The US is in a unique geopolitical position, and the world resents that.

So torture is ok for non-Americans, well then by that logic non-Americans can torture Americans. Ok then.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Silver - there is no issue when they have their own opinion. There is however a problem when they try - in a country that isn't theirs - to use violence or the threat of violence (direct or implied) to force compliance with their views. As you put it - they are foreign people with foreign views - and if they don't like ours - they can take their foreign A$$e$ elsewhere. We have freedom of the press and freedom of speech, whether they like it or not.

Actually your freedom of speech and freedom of press are very limited indeed especially by western standards.

Foreigners? You're the foreigners.

Btw, you claimed in another post to be a priest? Or to have been a priest? Usually religious folks kind of hold together against the common enemy of non-religiousness. I guess you're the exception to that, a muslim-hating priest.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

We've had cases of blasphemy where the offenders have served time in prisons here in Finland...

Very VERY rarely. I think the latest prison sentence was in 2000something and that involved hate speech aswell, not just blasphemy. I'd imagine that without the hate speech, he wouldn't have gone to jail.