Burn Witches! Burn! - Page 2

kylania · 04-24-10, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by captainprid

What was the production budget
What was the development budget compared to the marketing budget
What is the budget for further game development

You missed "What was the beer budget?", perhaps the most important budget when designing games.

captainprid · 04-24-10, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kylania

You missed "What was the beer budget?", perhaps the most important budget when designing games.

Zedi · 04-24-10, 05:13 AM

I only blame Ubi. And not only the game, but everything in this company. The support, the PR.. everything in this company is just bad. Their logo from now one means "stay away, amateurs inside".

Jimbuna · 04-24-10, 05:30 AM

Having also met Dan personally I can add my support to what privateer has posted 'regarding Dan and the dev team'.

I've only one criticism of Dan.........after we parted at Houston airport check-in we never met up again in the flight departure area as agreed.

It must have been Dans turn at the bar

McBeck · 04-24-10, 05:34 AM

I have worked with IT projects for more than 5 years. Both as Project Manager and lately as a Program Manager.

Its a fact that the project can scream "The project is not yet done" / "Quality is not good enough" and management can say "We dont care - get it done now, no matter what"

I will bet you that this discussion have happened between the devs and the management...and management didn't listen.

Most likely because they didn't get measured on quality, but on deadlines and budget. Ubisoft management is probably right now doing the blamegame for the poor reviews and sales....wonder who becomes the fallguy

Zedi · 04-24-10, 07:00 AM

As a customer, should I care if is the developers or suits fault? Do I really need to care who is what in this fail company?

Also I wonder how come this game is always bugged at release, how come they always fail in test and finish this game? Is just beyond my understanding...

SilentOtto · 04-24-10, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnum

As a customer, should I care if is the developers or suits fault? Do I really need to care who is what in this fail company?

Also I wonder how come this game is always bugged at release, how come they always fail in test and finish this game? Is just beyond my understanding...

Oh sure... We all know knowledge is of no use! geesh...

McBeck · 04-24-10, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnum

As a customer, should I care if is the developers or suits fault? Do I really need to care who is what in this fail company?

Also I wonder how come this game is always bugged at release, how come they always fail in test and finish this game? Is just beyond my understanding...

As a customer you should get what you pay for. If you start pointing fingers - better do it right.

robbo180265 · 04-24-10, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kylania

I don't really blame the devs. They've made us some beautiful and amazing games, but in all fairness they have shipped a game made nearly unplayable due to bugs then failed to meet two promised patch release dates. As nice as they are and as much as you trust them, that's a pretty poor performance. Especially since at this point, we don't have any idea when the patch will be coming.

Combine this with the completely unacceptable level of quality, and poor support and utter lack of communication from their publisher Ubisoft and you're starting to get into pitchfork and torches territory.

Combine all of that with the most insane and Draconian DRM scheme ever, and... you get where we are today.

So, love them or hate them, the cards are stacked a mile high against the devs. Patch 1.2 needs to kick some ass and get into players hands very quickly or I doubt you'll see the community turn around much.

Thats pretty much my stance on the subject too. If I never buy a UBI game again it will be because of their awful customer support.

You would think that when they decided to use something as contentious as their online DRM they would have added a few more moderators to their English speaking forums, but go there and all you will see is angry people getting absolutely no response to their questions. We found out about the patch delay from the German forums for Christ sake!

No I don't blame the devs at all - but UBI........

tonschk · 04-24-10, 09:32 AM

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........ I LOVE the DRM , and I am very Very HAPPY with the DRM , and I hope UBISOFT will NEVER ... NEVER turn off the DRM

.... What I really REALLY HATE are the pirates

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Zedi · 04-24-10, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tonschk

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........ I LOVE the DRM , and I am very Very HAPPY with the DRM , and I hope UBISOFT will NEVER ... NEVER turn off the DRM

.... What I really REALLY HATE are the pirates

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Lol, you are valkyrie the only guy on Ubi forum who has nothing else to say than stuff like... "I love SH5, awesome game, ty so much Ubi".
Now this "I LOVE the DRM" line is new, I think you need to crash dive

Placoderm · 04-24-10, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tonschk

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........ I LOVE the DRM , and I am very Very HAPPY with the DRM , and I hope UBISOFT will NEVER ... NEVER turn off the DRM

.... What I really REALLY HATE are the pirates

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Since this thread had nothing to do with DRM, I can only assume that you are a Troll...

A very sad, pathetic, angry, and possibly even confused, ...troll.

Nisgeis · 04-24-10, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Placoderm

Since this thread had nothing to do with DRM,<SNIP>

Well, it had been mentioned before in posts #3, #5, #8, #11, #14 and #24. All assessing the DRM.

Don't mention the DRM! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it.

robbo180265 · 04-24-10, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Don't mention the DRM! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it.

mcarlsonus · 04-24-10, 02:11 PM

SH5 has all the qualities of an, "end-of-life" product, i.e. Ubi promised it, but, realizing it's a niche product that doesn't appeal to the now-prevalent, "ADHD-affected" target market (a.k.a., "shoot something, reload, shoot something"), released it prematurely when the allocated budget had been used up. I don't expect to EVER see an SH6 and was actually surprised when they announced they'd release a Patch addressing certain crippling gameplay issues. 'Course, then again, "where IS that Patch," etc., etc., etc.

04-24-10, 05:30 AM	#19
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,755 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Having also met Dan personally I can add my support to what privateer has posted 'regarding Dan and the dev team'. I've only one criticism of Dan.........after we parted at Houston airport check-in we never met up again in the flight departure area as agreed. It must have been Dans turn at the bar __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-24-10, 05:34 AM	#20
McBeck Admiral Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,027 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I have worked with IT projects for more than 5 years. Both as Project Manager and lately as a Program Manager. Its a fact that the project can scream "The project is not yet done" / "Quality is not good enough" and management can say "We dont care - get it done now, no matter what" I will bet you that this discussion have happened between the devs and the management...and management didn't listen. Most likely because they didn't get measured on quality, but on deadlines and budget. Ubisoft management is probably right now doing the blamegame for the poor reviews and sales....wonder who becomes the fallguy __________________ "I like subcommanders...they dont have time for bull**!" Proud member of the Subsim army of zombies Becks website

04-24-10, 09:32 AM	#25
tonschk Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,200 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	. ........ I LOVE the DRM , and I am very Very HAPPY with the DRM , and I hope UBISOFT will NEVER ... NEVER turn off the DRM .... What I really REALLY HATE are the pirates . __________________ What we do in life echoes in Eternity

04-24-10, 05:13 AM	#18
Zedi Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,845 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 2	I only blame Ubi. And not only the game, but everything in this company. The support, the PR.. everything in this company is just bad. Their logo from now one means "stay away, amateurs inside".

04-24-10, 07:00 AM	#21
Zedi Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,845 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 2	As a customer, should I care if is the developers or suits fault? Do I really need to care who is what in this fail company? Also I wonder how come this game is always bugged at release, how come they always fail in test and finish this game? Is just beyond my understanding...

04-24-10, 02:11 PM	#30
mcarlsonus Weps Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 362 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	SH5 has all the qualities of an, "end-of-life" product, i.e. Ubi promised it, but, realizing it's a niche product that doesn't appeal to the now-prevalent, "ADHD-affected" target market (a.k.a., "shoot something, reload, shoot something"), released it prematurely when the allocated budget had been used up. I don't expect to EVER see an SH6 and was actually surprised when they announced they'd release a Patch addressing certain crippling gameplay issues. 'Course, then again, "where IS that Patch," etc., etc., etc.