100% Realism n00b

DVAFP · 04-07-10, 03:00 PM

take a look at this post:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...aring+tool+guf

by the way, something i will try to put into practice next time i play:

http://nefelodamon.blip.tv/

Onkel Neal · 04-07-10, 03:22 PM

It's difficult, and tricky. You cannot ever plot all the contacts of a convoy, and even if you focus on one or two targets, you cannot plot with 100% accuracy. Imagine if you are the skipper of a U-boat, at periscope depth, getting short, 15 second glimpses of the surface. The way I do it, when I first make visual contact, I get a general bearing and range, then drop the scope, and plot them manually on the chart. When I get another bearing and range, another plot. After 4 ~6 plots, I have a pretty good idea where the targets are, where they are headed, and their spatial relationship to my sub. I use this info the make course changes to intercept. Then as I get into 3000m range I focus on getting a solution for shooting. Do I misjudge and get out of position, and lose shooting opportunities? Frequently. That's part of the game, for me.

Do I want or need to see every ship plotted and updated in real time? No. Even with a full crew to aid a captain in real life, I don't think there was someone calling off the info on 20 ships and someone else drawing little squares and updating every 5 seconds

kylania · 04-07-10, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Then as I get into 3000m range I focus on getting a solution for shooting. Do I misjudge and get out of position, and lose shooting opportunities? Frequently. That's part of the game, for me.

I had an epphiany this morning driving into work. I looked in my rear view mirror and saw some jerk flying up behind me. I quickly estimated from sight alone how close he'd be to me before we entered into a tight curve in the road up ahead. Then I realized, hey!! If I could do this I bet it's the same thing that u-boat captains did as they closed in on a convoy. It doesn't matter if everything is perfect to the meter, just that you have a feel for what--at that point the jerk flew past me, cutting me off just before the curve, but it was still a cool realization.

Nico09 · 04-07-10, 04:06 PM

Cheers neal, i just Don't understand how to use the tool helper, why is 180 at the top? :-S

kylania · 04-07-10, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nico09

Cheers neal, i just Don't understand how to use the tool helper, why is 180 at the top? :-S

Did you see the link that was posted above? It's to my Map Tools tutorial that shows how it works.

Check out this image and notice how the 180 at the top tool is plotting a line to describe a true course:

If you start a line and drag it down you'll cross the 180 mark, meaning it's a line heading 180 degrees. If you start a line and drag it to the right it'll cross the 90 degree mark showing it's a easterly course. If you drag it straight up it'll cross the upside down 0, showing the course is 0 degrees.

Nico09 · 04-07-10, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kylania

Did you see the link that was posted above? It's to my Map Tools tutorial that shows how it works.

Check out this image and notice how the 180 at the top tool is plotting a line to describe a true course:

If you start a line and drag it down you'll cross the 180 mark, meaning it's a line heading 180 degrees. If you start a line and drag it to the right it'll cross the 90 degree mark showing it's a easterly course. If you drag it straight up it'll cross the upside down 0, showing the course is 0 degrees.

Cheers for the link kylania. i missed it as im viewing the site on my mobile. i'll have a look at the link. :-)

Onkel Neal · 04-07-10, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DVAFP

thats more or less the way i do it too, i look at the target, and with the ruler i take advantage of the ship's position an speed apearing on the mini-map when you hover the cursor over it, although i dont really want to do it that way. I hope they remove that with the patch, whats the point of having no contacts on the map when it shows up when you hover the cursor on the map.

I have the more realistic periscope mod which should help get the range without the stadimeter (which doesnt work) and i should be calculating its speed by marking its position twice and calculating distance travelled/time passed between 2 marks. its still difficult for me to do it fast enought when the ships are already close but thats what i intend on improving on my game.

Yeah, speed is a tough one. Imagine doing this in real life, while all the time you know there are a hundred eyes searching the waves for your scope. I try to take three marks and measure and do the math for speed, just to get in the ball park. As long as I can get within 1200m, being 80% accurate usually produces hits.

Not sure what you mean about "i take advantage of the ship's position an speed apearing on the mini-map when you hover the cursor over it, "

How does the ship's position appear on the tactical map with Map contacts OFF? And how does the stadimeter not work? I'm not seeing a major problem with it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylania

I had an epphiany this morning driving into work. I looked in my rear view mirror and saw some jerk flying up behind me. I quickly estimated from sight alone how close he'd be to me before we entered into a tight curve in the road up ahead. Then I realized, hey!! If I could do this I bet it's the same thing that u-boat captains did as they closed in on a convoy. It doesn't matter if everything is perfect to the meter, just that you have a feel for what--at that point the jerk flew past me, cutting me off just before the curve, but it was still a cool realization.

Exactly! It's all about getting a feel for the situation through observation and not watching an arcade display on a real time gods-eye map.

DVAFP · 04-07-10, 07:23 PM

in TAI if you hover the cursor over the targets position a little black box will appear telling you if its a merchant or a warship and its speed, cant remember if the heading also shows up, ill post a screenshot

DVAFP · 04-07-10, 03:56 PM

thats more or less the way i do it too, i look at the target, and with the ruler i take advantage of the ship's position an speed apearing on the mini-map when you hover the cursor over it, although i dont really want to do it that way. I hope they remove that with the patch, whats the point of having no contacts on the map when it shows up when you hover the cursor on the map.

I have the more realistic periscope mod which should help get the range without the stadimeter (which doesnt work) and i should be calculating its speed by marking its position twice and calculating distance travelled/time passed between 2 marks. its still difficult for me to do it fast enought when the ships are already close but thats what i intend on improving on my game.

04-07-10, 03:22 PM	#2
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	It's difficult, and tricky. You cannot ever plot all the contacts of a convoy, and even if you focus on one or two targets, you cannot plot with 100% accuracy. Imagine if you are the skipper of a U-boat, at periscope depth, getting short, 15 second glimpses of the surface. The way I do it, when I first make visual contact, I get a general bearing and range, then drop the scope, and plot them manually on the chart. When I get another bearing and range, another plot. After 4 ~6 plots, I have a pretty good idea where the targets are, where they are headed, and their spatial relationship to my sub. I use this info the make course changes to intercept. Then as I get into 3000m range I focus on getting a solution for shooting. Do I misjudge and get out of position, and lose shooting opportunities? Frequently. That's part of the game, for me. Do I want or need to see every ship plotted and updated in real time? No. Even with a full crew to aid a captain in real life, I don't think there was someone calling off the info on 20 ships and someone else drawing little squares and updating every 5 seconds __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

04-07-10, 03:00 PM	#1
DVAFP Watch Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	take a look at this post: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...aring+tool+guf by the way, something i will try to put into practice next time i play: http://nefelodamon.blip.tv/

04-07-10, 04:06 PM	#4
Nico09 Gunner Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 93 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	Cheers neal, i just Don't understand how to use the tool helper, why is 180 at the top? :-S

04-07-10, 07:23 PM	#8
DVAFP Watch Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	in TAI if you hover the cursor over the targets position a little black box will appear telling you if its a merchant or a warship and its speed, cant remember if the heading also shows up, ill post a screenshot

04-07-10, 03:56 PM	#9
DVAFP Watch Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 19 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	thats more or less the way i do it too, i look at the target, and with the ruler i take advantage of the ship's position an speed apearing on the mini-map when you hover the cursor over it, although i dont really want to do it that way. I hope they remove that with the patch, whats the point of having no contacts on the map when it shows up when you hover the cursor on the map. I have the more realistic periscope mod which should help get the range without the stadimeter (which doesnt work) and i should be calculating its speed by marking its position twice and calculating distance travelled/time passed between 2 marks. its still difficult for me to do it fast enought when the ships are already close but thats what i intend on improving on my game.