Details, details, details

[dberladyn]

Originally Posted by msxyz

Judging from the books and photografic material I have seen over the years, I also think they did a quite accurate reproduction of a type VIIC interior. Early types VIIA/B were somehow different in terms of machinery used although the general layout remains the same.

Too bad only one type VII still remains in existence today, and it's a late war type VIIc/41. Some years ago, there were some talks to rise all the boats scuttled at the end of the war in operation Deadlight. There's a certain hunger of steel and lead which is not "poisoned" by the radiation released from nuclear experiments from 1945 onwards. Metals fused before that day and preserved underwater are free of these nuclear pollutants and hence have a very high value for building scientific equipment to the point it would cover the expense of raising a wreck from the bottom of the sea.

Although it's scary to think all those boats being cut into pieces, at least it would be a good occasion for a documented study on several other germans submarines of the era of whom only a few blueprints survive.

You're kidding about that right? Steel and Lead being poisoned? Iron Ore is still mined around the globe, it's very abundant. Mining it from underground would be no different than steel sitting underwater... at least in my opinion.... but I don't really believe what you said to be true anyways. No offense.

I think if I was super rich I'd raise me one of those scuttled subs... it would make a nice yacht don't you think?

[msxyz]

Originally Posted by dberladyn

You're kidding about that right? Steel and Lead being poisoned? Iron Ore is still mined around the globe, it's very abundant.

It gets poisoned the moment it's melted. Also, the more it stays in the open air, the more it gets bombarded by everyday natural radiation. Not to mention that ores straight from deposits have slightly higher content of natural isotopes. That's why metals which rested underwater for long periods of time are attractive to scientists.

Since the detonation of the first atomic bomb in 1945, radioactive fallout from such explosions has resulted in contamination of the atmosphere by traces of radioactive elements previously not found there. The process of melting iron to make steel consumes vast quantities of air, leading to the concentration of such trace elements in the final product. Modern, high-sensitivity instrumentation, such as that used for nuclear radiation monitoring, is susceptible to the signal produced even by these trace elements, and requires material free from such contamination for its manufacture.

Lead ingots (used as ballast) from ancient wrecks are used for shielding very sensible cosmic radiation sensors.

Here's an article (albeit in italian, sorry, I'll try to dig up other info)
http://www.infn.it/notiziario/not5/nuclei.html

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by SabreHawk

Well the book we speak of can be found at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Type-VII-U-Boa.../dp/1591148863

It's cover looks a little different from mine but is the same book.
Here is mine.


And it has many drawings and pictures, like this one and it also has a 1/150 foldout plan. And drwaings of not just the ship, but of it's armament, and interiors.

Thank you for the info

[Bilge_Rat]

I keep noticing neat little details inside the U-boat:

1. how to tell time in-game:

-command room:




-conning tower:




2. Helmsman station - the compass on the left has two dials, the outside one has 10 degree intervals, the inside one has single degrees. It works and is a joy to watch operate when you order a course change:

[TheBlobThing]

Don't want to hijack the thread but what mod do you use for the dialogue options with the navigator?

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by TheBlobThing

Don't want to hijack the thread but what mod do you use for the dialogue options with the navigator?

Athlonic's "more crew commands" mod.

[Nico71]

http://www.panorama-deutschland.de/m...seum/index.php

Have fun, guys!

[codmander]

yea the type IX and type II are awesome also and lets not forget 1944/45

[AS]

As someone already posted here, there was no special "officer´s cabin" or wardrobe. SH5 modells the complete VII-type U-Boat except for the toilets. In the movie Das Boot you get a somewhat false impression of the size, because they built their interior model in a bigger scale and used a wide-lense for filming. The officer´s table (eating scenes) was actually the captain´s bed serving as seat and a small table that was installed there. So no privacy, no separate rooms. In Das Boot you can see how cramped they were seated, when people tried to go through one of the officers always had to stand up.

I´ve been to Laboe and visited the real thing, and I would say the model in SH5 is quite accurate.

Cheers, AS

[Cheapskate]

With respect, AS, I think your memory may be letting you down a tad

There was indeed a wardroom in the officers quarters as evidenced in this photograph which shows U995's layout in that area as it is today.

http://www.u-995.com/images/galerie/...zierraum01.jpg

Originally there was an additional bunk over the top of the seats. This was for the chief engineer's use but was folded up when the area was being used as the wardroom.

Seems to have to have been completely removed in U 995.

Generally speaking, the interior (Control tower aside) in SH5 is very well done. Suppose if I was going to be very nit-picky ,the walls on the corridor side of the radio and sonar rooms are very abbreviated, and there is no inter-linked rubber matting on the galvanised metal floor plates in Control room, Engine room and Electric motor/Aft torpedo rooms.

Still these little omissions aren't going to bother anyone who isn't an inveterate "rivet counter" - like me

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by codmander

yea the type IX and type II are awesome also and lets not forget 1944/45

Here is an interesting post you might enjoy reading...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...4&postcount=92

JCC