Modern Destroyers

[CCIP]

I think it's a misconception that older destroyers had more firepower than modern ones. Technically, these automatic 5" guns can deliver more firepower than all the guns of an old Fletcher combined. Same goes for the air defense weapons. Even ignoring the improved accuracy, these things do put more metal in the air quicker.

And sure these ships are overkill for what they generally hunt. But there really isn't an alternative. You do want a ship that can both overwhelmingly outgun the pirates, and patrol a stretch of sea for weeks on end without a problem. Given the large area of ocean that needs to be covered, there's not really any other option besides sending the frigates and destroyers. Especially with the LCS program more or less stalled, there just isn't a smaller ship that would be actually effective in this role.

I'd like to see UAVs/USVs developed specifically for this kind of patrol role though. They could be a big help and save a lot of money, even if they can't outright replace manned patrols.

[HundertzehnGustav]

LCS? Littoral Combat Ship?



LCS is an innovative combatant designed to counter challenging shallow-water threats in coastal regions, specifically mines, submarines and fast surface craft.


something like that?

Well if Fireposer is most used via a Chopper..

Hmm... multiple choppers, Small and Big guns.... Crew and Soldiers aboard... full systems... get rid of the intercontinental missile scheisse...

sounds excellent!
sort of a coastal destroyer...

[Jimbuna]

There is one option that hasn't been tried yet.....convoys.

[HundertzehnGustav]

STOPPPP

i thought it earlier this evening...
but no. please no. what a pain in the ass that was back in the day...

that would screw up our entire economy.
all that because of a few hundred (a thousand? two?) bastards who are playing big boys?

before we do convoys, i hope we send over a fleet of B-52s... or launch attacks against their coastal bases... send some mo' Ships or an aircraft carrier on station...

Convoys....

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

There is one option that hasn't been tried yet.....convoys.

That's a fair point Jim. I wonder if it'd work out warship amount vis a vis merchant amount though, I mean, there aren't as many destroyers in our navy as there was back in the war, I'm not sure about the US navy though, but then again as a coalition of forces there should be enough.

[Castout]

I'd just send Dowly waaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper


But corvettes and frigates would do the job just fine. The thing is the DDs probably can't patrol the area due to their small numbers so the only way to make the transit off the coast of Somali safe is by means of escort. Or even better a deployment of small aircraft carrier or attack helo carrier but this would cost too much money.





Perhaps a psychological warfare of some sort is needed to deter some percentage of pirating. Send in a seemingly precious ship off the coast of Somalia only that the ship is loaded with special force team(GIGN, etc) so making the ship effectively a mouse trap . . . but of course it's more risky . . .

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

That's a fair point Jim. I wonder if it'd work out warship amount vis a vis merchant amount though, I mean, there aren't as many destroyers in our navy as there was back in the war, I'm not sure about the US navy though, but then again as a coalition of forces there should be enough.

By my reckoning you'd only need two or three per convoy at most (mainly for helicopter anti surface warfare).

They aren't exactly up against anything other than a few speed boats and small arms fire at best.

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by Castout

Perhaps a psychological warfare of some sort is needed to deter some percentage of pirating. Send in a seemingly precious ship off the coast of Somalia only that the ship is loaded with special force team(GIGN, etc) so making the ship effectively a mouse trap . . . but of course it's more risky . . .

That's not psychological warfare, that's a Q-ship almost exactly as it was used against German submarines in the Great War. In fact, this has been suggested quite a few times as a measure against pirates...

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

That's not psychological warfare, that's a Q-ship almost exactly as it was used against German submarines in the Great War. In fact, this has been suggested quite a few times as a measure against pirates...

Q-ship eh?

They can have my mod at a knock down rate

[TLAM Strike]

You all forgot the major thing about our modern DDGs and CGs, the radar! Aegis tracks dozens of targets, that can include these Boston Whalers the pirates like to use. P-3s and Helos provide additional coverage and can chase down suspected pirate vessels.

The Aircraft give the DDG the location of suspect vessel the DDG then goes there and deploys its RHIB to inspect it and take the crew in to custody if necessary. This part is called a VBSS: Visit Board Search and Seizure.



Combating Piracy is not about FIREPOWER! Its about Policing and Deterrence, its about having ships and planes and drones that can keep an eye on what every ship is doing in a region. A lot of these pirates will just dump their guns, ladders and grappling hooks over the side when a Coalition chopper shows up. Very few shoot it out with Coalition warships and when they do the .50 cal guns mounted on the deck and bridge wings of a DDG does wonders- our gunners are very good especially after the USS Cole.

[Cambaz]

thats how it suppose to be done

Originally Posted by Cambaz

thats how it suppose to be done

That's really going to make your Muslim buddies happy.

[Cambaz]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

That's really going to make your Muslim buddies happy.

maybe or maybe not...

Originally Posted by Cambaz

maybe or maybe not...

Well welcome anyway. I'm sure you'll have many fun discussions with Skybird & co. here.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

That's not psychological warfare, that's a Q-ship almost exactly as it was used against German submarines in the Great War. In fact, this has been suggested quite a few times as a measure against pirates...

It may not best termed as psychological warfare...but it would sure scare the pirates the next time they see one of those ships off their coast. Thanks for the info I didn't know it's been suggested but I guess the idea is not too far fetched to be coined after all suggesting its feasibility.