Could this be counter productive???

Ok let's get rid of multiculturalism. Let's start with razing the US to the ground.

[tater]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Ok let's get rid of multiculturalism. Let's start with razing the US to the ground.

Ah, intelligent commentary.

Multiculturalism is the celebration and enablement of "differences" between peoples. The true, American version---which is sadly in decline in favor of European "multiculturalism"---has traditionally been called "the melting pot."

In that system, new peoples come to the US, and the US absorbs some of what they have to offer and in return they integrate and become less liketheir starting culture, and more like the melted "mess" of the rest of us. Their children are "American" and not some XXXXX-american label.

My grandmother was born in Sweden, for example, my father and uncles are "American" and not "Swedish-American."

Oh yea that's a lie too.

No, it's simple fact. Islam is a problem regardless of the presence of the US or not. Islam attacks the kafir where they find them. The problem is not the US, it's not colonialism, it's Islam. Does that mean there has never been part of the problem related to colonialism (almost entirely non-American, BTW)? No, without Islam we'd also have seen some turmoil regarding the end of the colonial period as we've seen in sub-saharan Africa, and Asia. None the less, the specific flavor of the problem would be entirely different. Again, look to non-muslim Africa and Asia for what to expect.

The US has had troubles since the Washington Administration. We did nothing to them AT ALL, but they felt it was their right under the Qur'an to attack and take us as slaves since we were in the dar al harb (house of war). The US response vs the Barbary "pirates" (really jihadists sanctioned by the Ottoman Empire) was just that, a response to attacks on peaceful merchant shipping in the med.

[Skybird]

Islam claims supreme reign and knows no multiculturalism, only monoculturalism.

Terms like peace, tolerance, coexistence, equality, freedom, multiculturalism all must accept castration by Islam supremacism. It defines the meaning and the limits of these terms, and ensures dominant ruling by Sharia and Quran. Western understanding of these terms has nothing to do with it.

Islamophile useful idiots strongly refuse to recognise that, for it would render their hopes meaningless and ultimately end their quarrel with resistance to Islam (at least as long as they do not have a crush for totalitarianism itself).

Muslim birth rates are such that Muslim social low classe shift the social and demographic balances of the infested nations towards growing influence on education, politics, legislation and law enforcement.

Another demonstration that skybirds hatred really is akin to that from 1930s germany.
Replace the word Muslim with Jew and you have a nice film by Eberhard Taubert.

In this context I remind of that the western world learned a lot about slave holding - from islamo-arabic slave traders who already were there with their businss long before the first black slaves where shipped to Europe and later Northern America.

I could have sworn the first big shipments of black slaves to Europe would have been many many centuries before there was such a thing as Islam.
Come to think of it the two cultures that are described as the cradle of western civilisation shipped slaves from all over the place.
Maybe it was time travelling muslims that taught them, you know how sneaky those infectious parasites are, the Eternal Muslim swarming like rats through time and space breeding good germans out of existance and getting their evil claws into education politics legislation and law enforcement as part of their global conspiracy....hey skybird missed out the media...the global media is run by the muslim horde.

My grandmother was born in Sweden, for example, my father and uncles are "American" and not "Swedish-American."

Really?
Yet in Boston on paddys day how many narrowbacks could you find claiming to be Irish-American because of some great great great grandmother they think came from County Dingle.

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Really?
Yet in Boston on paddys day how many narrowbacks could you find claiming to be Irish-American because of some great great great grandmother they think came from County Dingle.

This very post proves it true. Some people who have zero cultural affinity with Irish culture (ie: actual culture practiced in Ireland) claim to be more closely related because of some nonsensical drop of blood someplace. My grandmother had a very irish maiden name, and her mother was in fact born there. That said, I'd never suggest that I'd have more in common with someone because of a surname someplace in the family history, that's absurd.

I have more in common culturally with virtually any 3d generation+ american selected at random than I do with someone picked at random from a country represented by some surname in my family heritage. Obviously if you are naturalized, or your parents were, you might have more customs still from wherever "the old country" might have been.

It's funny that sometimes nationality gets taken as "race." Even more silly when one considers that "race" is pretty much meaningless anyway.

This very post proves it true.

Actually it proves your point false.
The "true american" version you claim is sadly in decline never really existed.

BTW you keep saying about equality and the wonderful freedom for women. My memory is a bit fuzzy about primogeny could you remind me again when exactly all this womens equality came about? maybe for example use a bastion against the islamic horde like switzerland, when did they get dragged kicking and screaming to actually dilute some of their institutionalised misogeny?

[tater]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Actually it proves your point false.
The "true american" version you claim is sadly in decline never really existed.

BTW you keep saying about equality and the wonderful freedom for women. My memory is a bit fuzzy about primogeny could you remind me again when exactly all this womens equality came about? maybe for example use a bastion against the islamic horde like switzerland, when did they get dragged kicking and screaming to actually dilute some of their institutionalised misogeny?

The melting pot certainly existed, and frankly mostly exists. So-called multiculturalism has also existed with immigrant groups forming enclaves of "sameness," as well. None the less, for the most part, immigrants in this country do assimilate. Even Muslims, actually, which is why US Muslims are less extremist than European Muslims (at least according to polls conducted by outfits like PEW). None the less, they still hold views well outside norms for Americans at large (60% disapproval with al qaida is is 40% pro, or lukewarm towards AQ (having no opinion on such a poll is tantamount to support, IMO)).

That said, much of pluralistic, liberal western civilization is at odds with basic Muslim beliefs. Note that I'm just as vigorous in arguing against prayer in school, ID, or any other attempt by religion to invade public policy. Frequently those who would join such a fight in the US if the antagonist was a Baptist give a pass if he's a Muslim, however.

What do you mean by "primogeny?" I'm unfamiliar with the term (as is google).

Primatology?

Equality is something defined by law, except perhaps where those in the West might use the concept of "Natural Rights" as the US Founding Fathers did. In the West, women have no really had equality for very long.