Could this be counter productive???

[Skybird]

Oh Mann, Islamophilia has struck again.

http://www.amazon.de/Allahs-Schleier...325661&sr=1-25

A woman is possession of her man.

She is life stock that is breeding Muslims for the islamic missionising effort of the future, and djihad. Compares to the role of fertile healthy women in Nazi Germany's vision of family planning: "soldiers for the Führer". That way, women also are the major weapon for demographic warfare. Algeria's dictator Boumedienne told the UN: "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." The palestinians are breeding as if it were the last year on earth, palestinian birth rates create an imemnse pressure in the palestinian territories, and inside israel - a threatening developement of Israel that in europe nobody want to hear of. In Europe, Muslim birth rates are such that Muslim social low classe shift the social and demographic balances of the infested nations towards growing influence on education, politics, legislation and law enforcement.

Women are driven by satanic energy, their desires must be controlled by their husband by "discharging" them in the act of sexual intercourse that is strictly controlled by religious dogma and magic beliefs to keep the process under control so that Satan cannot be set free, only weakened when discharging his energy. For the same reason, cintrolling satan, women must be whipped and must be kept in an obeident, passive, weak state. they are dangerous. Sexual intercourse is like opening a security valve before the pot explodes and all the demonic energy is set free. Call the ghost busters, so to speak.

By nature, women are dirty, and demonic. In many places their lifes is worth less than the life of a village dog.

Beating women is recommended, for the above reasons, if they are disobedient - or if not.

A man can have up to four wifes. but no wife can have four men.

A legal statement by a women is not even half the worth like a legal cofnession of a man. Reports by male witnesses weigh heavier. A female's testimony is inferior to that of male witnesses.

Women's right to claim a hertitage is only for half of the heritage that a man deserves.


So much for the dogma's ruling. Additionally the reality in islamic societies and Western colonies:

Hundreds of women get stoned to death every year.

Millions of women live in life-long captivity, never leaving the house.

Their life expectancy suffers substantially because of their lack of movement outside the household. Female muslim examiners and apostates report of high numbers od depressions and other related psychological syndrtome that do not get treated, but maybe even win sthem additonal abuse and penalty by their husbands.

Millions of girls get traded as brides without ever being asked.

Millions of women get beaten, whipped, and abused.

Thousands of girls and women get murdered by their family after gotten raped. Becasue they are guilty of having gotten raped.

Now find comapring ratios for legalsied crimes against women in the Wetsern socieites, Safe Keeper.

Western law protects women'S rights. Quranic law dstroys women's rights. the difference is developement here, aphatic stagnation there. The difference is that in the Islamic world the time stands still since almolst one and a half century. The claims made by some ancient bandit for self-justification during the medieval are still valid, and taken literally.

there is no point in nicetalking women'S miserable role in islam. It mocks the fight for equality and liberty of Muslim women rights activists, and renders their personal sacrifices and risks as useless. It prevents islam from ever needing to consider asking critical questions about itself. It prevents right that reformation of islam that Western useful idiots so hopefully wait for. As long as useful idiots refuse to confront Islam with critical questions aboiut it'S self-understanding, and allow it to just ,ove on unchnaged and all others are adapting to it, islam will not stop.

Because then it has no reason to stop.

Before anything else, Islam needs a sexual revolution, and a breakthrough in women's rights and equality and freedoms.


And for a final shot, I read Churchill being quoted from his writing in "The River War", 1899:

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

Islam is the greatest of all slave holders there ever have been.

Skybird,

I think you're just projecting your own hatred of women.

[Oberon]

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[tater]

The "West" is effectively Christian. You can make make a false argument based on tiny subclasses of "fundamentalist" Christians living in compounds someplace, but in actual practice, the West that we know is Christian taken as a whole. Women are free, and equal.

Islam, on the other hand, is absolutely, without question misogynistic, and backwards. Women are not full people. Look at the way they treat homosexuals as well. Islamic society has nothing to recommend it.

Regarding war and subjugation to get the West where it is now, who cares? They are welcome to try, IMHO, and we should fight them the way we fight for real. Again, think WW2. They can attack, that's their prerogative, we should fight back in the style of Curtis LeMay.

I hold them to no special standard.

Keeping them illiterate? I said only that in terms of keeping Muslims less radical, illiteracy is desirable. That is because Islam itself is dangerous. As Christopher Hitchens pointed out in a debate I saw, as long as the Koran exists, anyone who can read it can resurrect "islamism" by doing no more than reading the qur'an and haddith. It's all there in black and white. Since this will not in fact happen, we can expect a larger and larger % of Muslims to hold what we would call "fundamentalist" beliefs. Note that Judaism and Christianity have large numbers of non-fundamentalist adherents. ALL sects of Islam are fundamentalist by the same standards (literalism).

Christians have certainly been violent, but unlike Islam, violence is actually a perversion of their faith (I'm an atheist, remember, don't think I have a dog in this fight). If Christians acted like their savior, they'd be pacifists. Is Muslims act like their prophet, they are violent, generals, spreading their faith at sword point.

Al Qaida is NOT a perversion of Islam, it is simply Islam.

Islam needs a reformation of some sort, but again, it will only be distanced from its inherit violence and misogyny by choosing not to read it.

You always find that there are no shortages of people willing to attack Christianity, yet defend Islam. Attacking BOTH is just fine, but I always see people giving Islam a pass. Christianity is better than Islam---I say this as an atheist---because in spite of Christianity, Christendom created secular, pluralistic, liberal societies. This is a fact---we are communicating as a direct result of this fact. Islam is regressive.

Skybird makes an excellent post, BTW.

IMHO, the "solution" to Islam is only to debauch them with our culture, and NEVER let them win the fight of "multiculturalism" or political correctness. When they come to the West, they need to assimilate, period. That means that they wear bathing suits to the beach or pool---men and women together--and they get no special mediation of marriages, etc (no sharia, thank you). We cannot stop them being backwards scumbags at home, but we can respond not with proportionate, but disproportionate force to attacks.

Ok let's get rid of multiculturalism. Let's start with razing the US to the ground.

[tater]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Ok let's get rid of multiculturalism. Let's start with razing the US to the ground.

Ah, intelligent commentary.

Multiculturalism is the celebration and enablement of "differences" between peoples. The true, American version---which is sadly in decline in favor of European "multiculturalism"---has traditionally been called "the melting pot."

In that system, new peoples come to the US, and the US absorbs some of what they have to offer and in return they integrate and become less liketheir starting culture, and more like the melted "mess" of the rest of us. Their children are "American" and not some XXXXX-american label.

My grandmother was born in Sweden, for example, my father and uncles are "American" and not "Swedish-American."

Oh yea that's a lie too.

No, it's simple fact. Islam is a problem regardless of the presence of the US or not. Islam attacks the kafir where they find them. The problem is not the US, it's not colonialism, it's Islam. Does that mean there has never been part of the problem related to colonialism (almost entirely non-American, BTW)? No, without Islam we'd also have seen some turmoil regarding the end of the colonial period as we've seen in sub-saharan Africa, and Asia. None the less, the specific flavor of the problem would be entirely different. Again, look to non-muslim Africa and Asia for what to expect.

The US has had troubles since the Washington Administration. We did nothing to them AT ALL, but they felt it was their right under the Qur'an to attack and take us as slaves since we were in the dar al harb (house of war). The US response vs the Barbary "pirates" (really jihadists sanctioned by the Ottoman Empire) was just that, a response to attacks on peaceful merchant shipping in the med.

[Skybird]

Islam claims supreme reign and knows no multiculturalism, only monoculturalism.

Terms like peace, tolerance, coexistence, equality, freedom, multiculturalism all must accept castration by Islam supremacism. It defines the meaning and the limits of these terms, and ensures dominant ruling by Sharia and Quran. Western understanding of these terms has nothing to do with it.

Islamophile useful idiots strongly refuse to recognise that, for it would render their hopes meaningless and ultimately end their quarrel with resistance to Islam (at least as long as they do not have a crush for totalitarianism itself).

[Skybird]

Some nice summary being done here:

http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch9.html

http://www.answering-islam.org/Women/index.html

Yeah yeah, I know it is a Christian website posting these texts. But what I have read over there about Islam, matches what I know about it, so i would be stupid to skip it just becasue I do not like the messenger eventually (I haven't checked the latter - callme a pragmatic atheist then )

The book "Allahs Schleier" that I linked above probably is the best on the role of women and their meanign for the culture clash that I have ever read about women&Islam.

In the end, it all comes down to Muhammad's assessment of women:

"The Prophet said, 'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that for a man?' The women said, 'Yes.' He said, 'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.' "